Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:)   If we have the past 4 
yours as the next 4 years,  there will be a mass revolt.
Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country,  the division of our 
country,  we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any worse.  
That is my 2 cents!

Now , back to our Felv + kitties.  I am fairly new to this group and joined 
because of losing my cat, Prancer.  He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy life. 
Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him.  So my two questions to this group is 
the following:

How many of you have a Felv cat that is 9 + years old and extremely healthy?
Have any you used Interferon for your cat?

The reason for the above questions is because my Vet ( Great Vet!!)  A Father 
/Son  team both informed me that they have never seen a cat with Felv live as 
long as Prancer and be in such great health.  Prancer was on Interferon off and 
on for 4-5 years.  I swear by it!  And it is fairly inexpensive.. $26 for a 
bottle.  Looking forward to your feedback!  Thanks!

Best Regards,

Lisa 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: FW:  President (dlg...@windstream.net)
   2. Re: Bow Hunting (dlg...@windstream.net)
   3. Re: Declaw (dlg...@windstream.net)
   4. Re: for Lee (dlg...@windstream.net)
   5. Re: Flea Products (Joslin Potter)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:26:39 -0500
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  President
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Problem is that they have all lost sense of reality.  They have no 
understanding of what it means to be middle class or poor.  They have all been 
privileged tooo long

---- Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue 
> in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that 
> impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most.? Then I 
> look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about 
> to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican 
> Senate.? I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so 
> many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing 
> banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein 
> to grab the money and run.? I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a 
> fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars 
> a? year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country.? Then I see 
> Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to 
> shut down if taxes were raised.? Who the heck ever mentioned
>  businesses?? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see 
> Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, 
> confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses.? I 
> see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of 
> gibberish regulations.? What's wrong with just extending Medicare and 
> Medicaid to everyone?? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and 
> adopting the Canadian health care model?? Then my friends tell me that we 
> need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country.? And 
> I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 
> years.? I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again.? Just my opinion.

?
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!




________________________________
 From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  President
 

Actually very simple:? Romney?s dog on top of the car and Obama?s dog inside 
the car.
?
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen 
Olvey
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
?
Without endorsing either candidate here's some thoughts I had on deciding 
between the candidates:




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:37:23 -0500
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
Message-ID: <20121009123723.MMVM5.48570.root@pamxwww04-z01>
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I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One look in their eyes and that 
would be it for me.  These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and 
then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being 
raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, 
buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you 
turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 4H.  They hand 
raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the 
fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is ever I saw one.
 


---- Marcia <marciabmar...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live 
> in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a 
> lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about 
> that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not 
> deserve that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on 
> FB. Because there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their 
> food came from!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> > Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to 
> > become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate 
> > was conducive, and I?m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too.
> > There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit.  Some of the 
> > Hunzas manage to survive on just ?energy? ? not sure how that works, mind 
> > over matter?  Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most 
> > of the time because of all the available fruit.
> > 
> > As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true 
> > carnivores? are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger 
> > digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in 
> > about 12 hrs.  Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying  as long as 36 
> > hours, and with weaker digestive juices.
> >  
> > If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to 
> > change ? rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and 
> > also destroys the planet in more ways than one.
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Joslin Potter
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
> >  
> > That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting 
> > that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What 
> > do they eat? & your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people 
> > have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the 
> > jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:43:38 -0500
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
Message-ID: <20121009124338.EREF3.48613.root@pamxwww04-z01>
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Folks around here laugh because I stop and move turtles across the road so they 
won't get hit.  I even move snakes out of the way when working in the garden.  
Will admit that it is usually cool and they can't move too fast so copperheads, 
rattlers and spread heads get moved to the other side of the road out of harms 
way.I get frustrated with the raccoons because they can be so destructive, but 
they are cute so they are still around with the possums, deer, groundhog, 
squirrels and every other creature of the woods.  Got must have made them for a 
purpose.  I have always had dogs and cats for pets, even a ew chickens.


---- Marcia <marciabmar...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> My mom didn't like cats either, but I know where I came from. My gramma loved 
> dogs and cats and I spent a log of time with her. My Mom loved loved dogs, we 
> had 12 collies living with us, but NO CATS!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
> 
> > Edna, 
> > Can't say I blame you for not backing down on the declawing.  My mom
> > didn't even like cats enough to adopt one. I never figured out how
> > I became such an animal lover, because I was always dragging home
> > injured animals and Mom would say "Get that filthy thing out of here". 
> > If my mom saw how many cats I have now she'd turn over in her grave.
> > 
> > Lorrie
> > 
> > 
> > On 10-04, Edna Taylor wrote:
> >>   Lorrie,  I agree with you 100%.  My Mom has wanted to adopt several
> >>   kittens I have had in the past and I have always told her "NO" because
> >>   she declaws, then she complains that her cats aren't as sweet and
> >>   social as they were when they were kittens and I say "that's because
> >>   you tortured and mutilated them, good going Mom".  That is one position
> >>   that I will NOT back down from and I don't care if it hurts my Mom's
> >>   feelings because she should have never done it in the first place and
> >>   for what? furniture?  pppppppfffffffffttttttttttttt.  Don't get me
> >>   wrong, I love my Mom but I don't agree with what she did.  Declawing is
> >>   cruel and inhumane :(
> >> 
> >>   Edna
> >>     __________________________________________________________________
> > 
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:50:09 -0500
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] for Lee
Message-ID: <20121009125009.X5V6V.48664.root@pamxwww04-z01>
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I agree with that!  We keep extending our lives and breeding with no regard as 
to how we will feed and care for the children.  So many just let hem run wild 
and then they start making babies.  Some even do it for the money - one lady in 
news recently admitted she had children and encouraged her daughters to do same 
for the money they get for each baby.  WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR MORALS, SENSE OF 
RIGHT AND WRONG?  Then we let cats and dogs breed so the children can witness 
the miracle of birth and have a little kitten/puppy.  Then when it becomes too 
much trouble, out it goes like and old piece of clothing.  All of my cats came 
in as ferals or "dump" cats left behind by uncaring owners.


---- Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote: 
> Lee,   We think alike.........  Humans are the main cause of most of the
> problems on earth!  Too bad we have to keep feeding hunters, irresponsible
> pet owners, polluters, and other jerks like this.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote:
> >    During the years of concentration camps, very few babies were born to
> >    the women who were being tortured there, even though rape was rampant.
> >    It wasn't that they "turned off their reproductive system" because it
> >    was a "legitimate rape" but because below a certain nutritional level,
> >    the body of a woman can't sustain a pregnancy and miscarries.  Deer and
> >    other wild animal populations regulate themselves during times when
> >    food is scarce and then grow during times when food is readily
> >    available.  Feeding corn to deer in the winter assures all these
> >    darling sport hunters of a good stock of victims for their sport when
> >    deer season arrives again.  If hunting and eating the victim is a good
> >    means of population control, maybe we should reconsider cannibalism.
> >    Humans are soon going to outgrow themselves.  There are 8 billion of us
> >    infecting the planet at this time and if even half of those breed, we
> >    will have another 4 billion within a year or two..
> > 
> >    Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> >    neighbors too!
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joslin Potter <joslinir...@yahoo.com>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
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I've seen them for sale on e-bay, the nematodes that is.

 

________________________________
 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
  
Nematodes - do you mean like I get for japanese beetles in my yard?? If not, 
what is name and where do I get them?


---- GRAS <g...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then
> it's the friendly little nematodes!
> 
>? 
> 
>? 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
> Evans
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
> 
>? 
> 
> I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big
> one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus).? I was afraid to do this at first
> because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if
> you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube.? It's all
> uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up
> the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat
> dose is the packaging.? You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one
> larger plastic tube.? I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that? I
> want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients.? I wish more stuff
> was on a "bring your own bottle" basis.? Some stuff in the grocery store is
> sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics.? Everything else is
> over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or
> whatever, you either toss the package, bottle? into the landfill or you have
> to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up.? I
> have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for
> years.? Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's
> a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit
> through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole.
> 
>? 
> 
>? 
> 
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
> 
>? 
> 
>?  _____? 
> 
> From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
> 
> 
> On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote:
> >? ? My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said
> >? ? even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same
> >? ? ingredients may be different. 
> 
> The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do
> this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month,
> I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and
> dose down from the big dog size.? However, dosing down from the big dog
> size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt.
> 
> 
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