Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
that his predecessor did, and the "new person" is from that same party and
has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.

Diane R.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lisa Conner
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] President

Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:)   If we have the past
4 yours as the next 4 years,  there will be a mass revolt.
Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country,  the division of
our country,  we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
worse.  That is my 2 cents!

Now , back to our Felv + kitties.  I am fairly new to this group and joined
because of losing my cat, Prancer.  He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy
life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him.  So my two questions to this
group is the following:

How many of you have a Felv cat that is 9 + years old and extremely healthy?
Have any you used Interferon for your cat?

The reason for the above questions is because my Vet ( Great Vet!!)  A
Father /Son  team both informed me that they have never seen a cat with Felv
live as long as Prancer and be in such great health.  Prancer was on
Interferon off and on for 4-5 years.  I swear by it!  And it is fairly
inexpensive.. $26 for a bottle.  Looking forward to your feedback!  Thanks!

Best Regards,

Lisa 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: FW:  President (dlg...@windstream.net)
   2. Re: Bow Hunting (dlg...@windstream.net)
   3. Re: Declaw (dlg...@windstream.net)
   4. Re: for Lee (dlg...@windstream.net)
   5. Re: Flea Products (Joslin Potter)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:26:39 -0500
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  President
Message-ID: <20121009122639.2JGQ3.48461.root@pamxwww04-z01>
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Problem is that they have all lost sense of reality.  They have no
understanding of what it means to be middle class or poor.  They have all
been privileged tooo long

---- Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major 
> issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major
issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the
most.? Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a
chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up,
the Republican Senate.? I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess
that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican
President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies
to have free rein to grab the money and run.? I see an ineffectual congress
trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a
million dollars a? year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the
country.? Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that
businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised.? Who the heck ever
mentioned  businesses?? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money.
I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue,
confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses.? I
see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages
of gibberish regulations.? What's wrong with just extending Medicare and
Medicaid to everyone?? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel
and adopting the Canadian health care model?? Then my friends tell me that
we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country.?
And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8
years.? I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again.? Just my
opinion.

?
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!




________________________________
 From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  President
 

Actually very simple:? Romney?s dog on top of the car and Obama?s dog inside
the car.
?
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
?
Without endorsing either candidate here's some thoughts I had on deciding
between the candidates:




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:37:23 -0500
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
Message-ID: <20121009123723.MMVM5.48570.root@pamxwww04-z01>
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I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer
because I would have to kill the animals.  One look in their eyes and that
would be it for me.  These animals are raised to trust us for food and care
and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while
being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a
lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are
smart, you turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on
4H.  They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and
then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is
ever I saw one.
 


---- Marcia <marciabmar...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I
live in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I
hear a lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more
about that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do
not deserve that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that
on FB. Because there are a ton of people out there that don't know where
their food came from!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> > Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to
become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was
conducive, and I?m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too.
> > There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit.  Some of
the Hunzas manage to survive on just ?energy? ? not sure how that works,
mind over matter?  Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan
most of the time because of all the available fruit.
> > 
> > As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true
carnivores? are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger
digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in
about 12 hrs.  Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying  as long as 36
hours, and with weaker digestive juices.
> >  
> > If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have
to change ? rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and
also destroys the planet in more ways than one.
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Joslin Potter
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
> >  
> > That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it
interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people
live? What do they eat? & your right people are not going to stop eating
meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still
live in the jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land
for food?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:43:38 -0500
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
Message-ID: <20121009124338.EREF3.48613.root@pamxwww04-z01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Folks around here laugh because I stop and move turtles across the road so
they won't get hit.  I even move snakes out of the way when working in the
garden.  Will admit that it is usually cool and they can't move too fast so
copperheads, rattlers and spread heads get moved to the other side of the
road out of harms way.I get frustrated with the raccoons because they can be
so destructive, but they are cute so they are still around with the possums,
deer, groundhog, squirrels and every other creature of the woods.  Got must
have made them for a purpose.  I have always had dogs and cats for pets,
even a ew chickens.


---- Marcia <marciabmar...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> My mom didn't like cats either, but I know where I came from. My gramma
loved dogs and cats and I spent a log of time with her. My Mom loved loved
dogs, we had 12 collies living with us, but NO CATS!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
> 
> > Edna, 
> > Can't say I blame you for not backing down on the declawing.  My mom
> > didn't even like cats enough to adopt one. I never figured out how
> > I became such an animal lover, because I was always dragging home
> > injured animals and Mom would say "Get that filthy thing out of here". 
> > If my mom saw how many cats I have now she'd turn over in her grave.
> > 
> > Lorrie
> > 
> > 
> > On 10-04, Edna Taylor wrote:
> >>   Lorrie,  I agree with you 100%.  My Mom has wanted to adopt several
> >>   kittens I have had in the past and I have always told her "NO"
because
> >>   she declaws, then she complains that her cats aren't as sweet and
> >>   social as they were when they were kittens and I say "that's because
> >>   you tortured and mutilated them, good going Mom".  That is one
position
> >>   that I will NOT back down from and I don't care if it hurts my Mom's
> >>   feelings because she should have never done it in the first place and
> >>   for what? furniture?  pppppppfffffffffttttttttttttt.  Don't get me
> >>   wrong, I love my Mom but I don't agree with what she did.  Declawing
is
> >>   cruel and inhumane :(
> >> 
> >>   Edna
> >>     __________________________________________________________________
> > 
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:50:09 -0500
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] for Lee
Message-ID: <20121009125009.X5V6V.48664.root@pamxwww04-z01>
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I agree with that!  We keep extending our lives and breeding with no regard
as to how we will feed and care for the children.  So many just let hem run
wild and then they start making babies.  Some even do it for the money - one
lady in news recently admitted she had children and encouraged her daughters
to do same for the money they get for each baby.  WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR
MORALS, SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG?  Then we let cats and dogs breed so the
children can witness the miracle of birth and have a little kitten/puppy.
Then when it becomes too much trouble, out it goes like and old piece of
clothing.  All of my cats came in as ferals or "dump" cats left behind by
uncaring owners.


---- Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote: 
> Lee,   We think alike.........  Humans are the main cause of most of the
> problems on earth!  Too bad we have to keep feeding hunters, irresponsible
> pet owners, polluters, and other jerks like this.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote:
> >    During the years of concentration camps, very few babies were born to
> >    the women who were being tortured there, even though rape was
rampant.
> >    It wasn't that they "turned off their reproductive system" because it
> >    was a "legitimate rape" but because below a certain nutritional
level,
> >    the body of a woman can't sustain a pregnancy and miscarries.  Deer
and
> >    other wild animal populations regulate themselves during times when
> >    food is scarce and then grow during times when food is readily
> >    available.  Feeding corn to deer in the winter assures all these
> >    darling sport hunters of a good stock of victims for their sport when
> >    deer season arrives again.  If hunting and eating the victim is a
good
> >    means of population control, maybe we should reconsider cannibalism.
> >    Humans are soon going to outgrow themselves.  There are 8 billion of
us
> >    infecting the planet at this time and if even half of those breed, we
> >    will have another 4 billion within a year or two..
> > 
> >    Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> >    neighbors too!
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:53:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joslin Potter <joslinir...@yahoo.com>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
Message-ID:
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I've seen them for sale on e-bay, the nematodes that is.

 

________________________________
 From: "dlg...@windstream.net" <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
  
Nematodes - do you mean like I get for japanese beetles in my yard?? If not,
what is name and where do I get them?


---- GRAS <g...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then
> it's the friendly little nematodes!
> 
>? 
> 
>? 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lee
> Evans
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
> 
>? 
> 
> I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the
big
> one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus).? I was afraid to do this at first
> because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but
if
> you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube.? It's
all
> uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up
> the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat
> dose is the packaging.? You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one
> larger plastic tube.? I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that? I
> want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients.? I wish more
stuff
> was on a "bring your own bottle" basis.? Some stuff in the grocery store
is
> sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics.? Everything else is
> over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or
> whatever, you either toss the package, bottle? into the landfill or you
have
> to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up.? I
> have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for
> years.? Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and
that's
> a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit
> through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole.
> 
>? 
> 
>? 
> 
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
> 
>? 
> 
>?  _____? 
> 
> From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
> 
> 
> On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote:
> >? ? My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said
> >? ? even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same
> >? ? ingredients may be different. 
> 
> The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot
do
> this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every
month,
> I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and
> dose down from the big dog size.? However, dosing down from the big dog
> size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt.
> 
> 
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