This is what I keep trying to tell people around here. It seems their minds are completely closed on the subject, so I say let them get overrun by mice, etc. My house is mice free thanks to my 65 girls and 1 boy, all of whom ae spayed/neutered. I was over run with mice once when my cats were all too old to chase them anymore. That ended when my new pride adopted me one by one. And I live in the middle of the woods. ---- Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com> wrote: > All these "killer cat" articles are a backlash against TNR. It's unfortunate > that some people are so mentally paralyzed that they don't realize that > spaying and neutering a cat (or dog) will stop the reproductive cycle. A > spayed cat is a spayed cat, one cat. An intact cat is a cat and then more and > more cats with each birth of kittens. I have spoken to people who say, "Well > yes, but even if you spay the cat you still have a cat. Using this logic, any > time you have a quantity of individuals who are considered "too many", > including human overpopulation you should look towards a solution that > involves killing the individuals, which instantly rids the area of the > unwanted human or non human but doesn't solve the long term problem of > overpopulation. Hitler tried this form of birth control, killing those > individuals that he thought were not valuable and should not reproduce. > Obviously, it didn't work too well. Any time killing is involved in population > control, there will be people who will not go along with the program because > of issues like compassion and aversion to death.
Now here's a true study. There was a town in Arizona or Colorado (not sure which State) that did have a large number of free-roaming cats. They did trap them and kill them and were down to very few cats. Most of the remaining cats were kept inside. It was actually against the law to allow cats outside. Mother Nature hates to be tampered with. In a year, the town was overrun by rats and mice and crop eating small mammals. People were so upset that the City Council voted to import several hundred cats from shelters in surrounding towns so that they could rebuild their outside cat population. It seems that in spite of the 150 million estimate of cats and the billions of dead mice and rats and birds, we see no dearth of mice, rats and birds, including song birds. And yes, cats are an "introduced" species although the cat family of larger cats such as mountain lions, bob cats and others were here already when explorers arrived to settle this continent. > There was a good reason why the cats came along. If they hadn't, the rats > and mice that infested the ships would have eaten the food supplies before > the ships could complete the journey. All that would have been left would > have been skeletons of starved to death settlers. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! >________________________________ > From: Kathryn Hargreaves <khargrea...@gmail.com> >To: email@example.com >Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 10:02 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others > > >Take heart: >http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/02/03/170851048/do-we-really-know-that-cats-kill-by-the-billions-not-so-fast > > > >On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air. >> >>Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness. >> >>Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time to get off my soap box and go to bed. >> >> >> >> >>Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty >>neighbors too! >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Felvtalk mailing list >>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > > > >-- >---------------------------- >Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! > > >If you can't adopt, then foster a "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their >life. Contact your local pound for information. > > >If you can't bottle feed, then foster an older animal, to save their life, and >to free up cage space. > > > > >Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% (and as high as 99%) of >their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation. 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