Remember, they as well as human doctors are being TOLD a bunch of lies by BIG pharmaceutical companies. If they don' tmake it they put it down. Only the ones I make are good. I get this all the time because I choose not to run to the doctor every time I get a scratch, hang nail, etc. I must go to the doctor every 3 months to make sure I do not get sick and then I do get sick. zi weill stick with my own meds, I stay well then
---- Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > You took the words out of my mouth------- they are prepared to inject drugs > that will immediately end the life of the cat, but are not willing to try a > drug that may possibly damage his liver, or could restore his health…HELLO!!! > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Amani Oakley > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this > potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the > bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read > the research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just > spiking of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. > > > > And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug > but here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that > they are prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not > prepared to risk liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maya > D'Alessio > Sent: October-23-15 8:14 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver > issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away > after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential > liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets > don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but > then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and > has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite > interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in > hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver > issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away > after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential > liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets > don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but > then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and > has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite > interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in > hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Ardy – good for you! > > > > Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell > you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if > that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That > has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat > and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever > weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay > about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping > scandals). > > > > I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson > Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said > they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I > was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the > office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and > then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked > about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary > specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to > know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given > me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be > pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a > lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to > impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he > deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to > do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to > do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about instantly > writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I > am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted > seems to be of the same opinion. > > Ardy Robertson > > Osseo, WI > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maya > D'Alessio > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE > VACCINATED. > > > ---- Kelley S <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of > > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and > > then let them in with the others. > > > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > > > Kelley > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Maya D'Alessio > > PhD student > > B1 377B, x32320 > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator > > Biology GSA Vice Chair > > GSA Director At-Large > > University of Waterloo > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Maya D'Alessio > > PhD candidate > > President > > Graduate Student Association > > COM 104 > > University of Waterloo > > > > > > > > -- > > Maya D'Alessio > > PhD student > > B1 377B, x32320 > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator > > Biology GSA Vice Chair > > GSA Director At-Large > > University of Waterloo > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
