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1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol ([email protected])
2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ ([email protected])
3. Re: Cat Sanctuary ([email protected])
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
From: To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
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GOOD VET!
---- Rachel Dagner wrote:
When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his
leg
and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he
didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me
if
I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside
too.
We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he
could live three months or a long normal life there was just no
telling. She never even said the word euthanize.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, wrote:
I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or
keep Annie, treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door
and
never returned if he only had one solution. Find another vet.
---- Ardy Robertson wrote:
Hello,
If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help
people, especially people like me who had no experience with
FeLV.
Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you
are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My
vets
even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring
them
in that day for euthanizing! I said ?no?! If there was a
website
that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that
would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while
I
was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets
wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in,
valuable
time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking a
dive.
They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test results.
I
basically had to learn everything from reading online. For
instance
I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis. We had brought
a
stray into our house, and she was running up behi
nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high. I
also
learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to
other
cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age
because
their immune system can usually defend them from it. That is also
how
I found this group online.
It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn
the
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to
take
a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way
to
get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol. I found a source in
Canada,
but they were not able to ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin,
so
I had to find a source in the US. Again, as a novice, I did not
have the information I needed to make any meaningful decisions. I
happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do the searching
for
ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving cat
owner who just doesn?t happen to be able to find things online
easily, would do! So the need for information is critical??both
for
cat owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary
community! I hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat
parents.
If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share
Tigger?s treatment details, along with his blood test results.
Even
though we eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional
time with him ? and it was good quality time with him feeling
very
good, and playful most of the time. I also feel he may have
pulled
through this particular crisis if I had started this treatment
regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could be wrong,
but
I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, waiting
for some period of stress in the cat?s life, and then it pops up
and
attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat
through
that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off
again,
possibly for very long periods, especially if the cat?s stress
levels can be kept low.
Thank you,
Ardy
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a
face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages?
Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you
believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably
makes
all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help
people
on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are
a
wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul.
A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for
information instead of having to start over completely with a new
person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I
have no idea how to do one. But I am good at researching and
figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote:
Hi Rachel
I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working
until
about 4:30 a.m. That?s one thing about working for myself (with
just
my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have
and
that is that I don?t get up early since I generally work all
night.
I figure since I?m the boss, I don?t have to justify my hours to
anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or
trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world,
but
frankly, when I am in court, I generally don?t go to bed at all.
Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of
Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that
I
hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it?s not a ?shift?. I?m
just up ALL night and work all day TOO.
Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than
me
when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect
the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us
to
collect credible objective scientific information if we are going
to
convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against
Winstrol.
At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a
particular case, but it isn?t a demon drug to be avoided at all
costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner
would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking,
that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad
shape,
all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a
lot
of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn?t always
work.
However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in
circumstances
where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to
offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I
simply don?t get the reluctance.
I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep
track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they
obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with
that
information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a
fed,
posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to
save
their babies. And I wouldn?t want to expose my vet to criticism
from
colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I
let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my
ordeal with Zander. She wasn?t the first vet who diagnosed him
and
she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER
clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications
regimes,
and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the
different treatment modalities to determine what was working and
what wasn?t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed,
but
you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a
death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the
crisis
and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me
that maybe it wasn?t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is
no
way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced ? even
with
weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results.
Anyway,
all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet
believes
that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I
am
sure she would temper her comments so she doesn?t appear foolish
and
out of step to them.
Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able
to
obtain the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to
me
that this may be the most promising route. The trouble isn?t
getting
the Winstrol once you have a prescription ? the problem is
getting
that prescription from your vet. Once you have that, you can
order
the medication online from a compounding pharmacy and Ardy let us
know about the one she used which shipped to her from another
state.
I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to
have
a talk with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing
little in the way of options except euthanasia, and a trial of
Winstrol is inexpensive and certainly not painful to the cat, so
rather than simply putting the cat down, why not trying the
Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver damage,
and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that
risk
but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often
rise
with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific
trials
linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the
end,
you are in charge. Of course the vet can refuse to provide the
Winstrol and can decide he/she doesn?t want you for a client, so
remain calm and not belligerent if you want to avoid that
outcome. I
would like to think that most vets, when faced with a logical,
measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would a
ssist even if you don?t have their full support on the chosen
treatment.
I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can
be
shared so people know where they can go where they will get the
support they need for their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am happy to provide them with my
vet?s
name and location. She is very kind, really cares about my cats,
and
respects my input very much, so we get along just fine. I have
moved
away from where the clinic is located and now have to travel
close
to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going
through the same battle with another vet right now, so I?ll stick
to
the ones who have known me for decades and respect my decisions.
Remember too that I used a number of medications with the
Winstrol.
I used prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to
have
problems passing stool for a while and research online shows that
FeLV affects the intestinal walls as well ? metoclopramide was
VERY
helpful to get the stool moving regularly and I believe without
the
stool sitting still in one area of the intestinal tract, it took
away the environment which encouraged the intestinal walls to be
attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I was trying
help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so
as
to ?pick our battles?, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead
of
the Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that
antibiotics don?t kill viruses, and I couldn?t remember why
Doxycycline was so important. I figured I had used it for
covering
for potential secondary infections. However, after seeing some
blasts showing up on the blood work, I reconsidered and rememb
ered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA synthesis, which
is
how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was working to
restore
progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood cells
produced,
the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to reproduce
unchecked.
And Rachel ? I am not ?that? kind of a lawyer, so I can?t defend
you
from a drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I
promise to get you help should you end up in trouble because of
my
preaching about Winstrol:). I am a medical malpractice lawyer -
Google me ? I figured I would put my scientific and medical
knowledge to good use when I left the medical field behind.
See ? not all lawyers are bad!
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM
To: [email protected] Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani
thoughts
for Winstrol
Good Morning Amani,
I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people
to
get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So
I
was thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those
of
us looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who
have tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters
from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. You
could
then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The
more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to
try it again and share their experience with other vets.
My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty
drug
dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could
write
a book about it.
Option one sounds a little more promising though.
Rachel
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:02:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
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RE: stool, I give my guys about 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil every
day.
They ask for it. I don't have as much problem with hairballs since
we
started this.
---- Amani Oakley wrote:
Olivia
It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts,
she
will hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small
amounts
at multiple times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her
subcutaneous fluids or to show you how to do it at home (t is
pretty
easy). She is probably dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good
for you to get the Pedialyte into her - that is exactly what she
needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous fluids, there is a
much
faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is given
orally.
See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking
the
vet for Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often
negatively impacts the intestinal tract and causes the stool to
slow
down. The Metoclopromide helps to empty the stomach and increases
peristaltic action which moves the stool along and this makes the
cat
feel a bit better after a meal.
I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase
appetite and feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to
helping your cat fight this battle.
Amani
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On
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Of . .
Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+
How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take
a
cat to feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks Sent from my
iPhone
On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner wrote:
Hi Olivia,
So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very
important are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to
get a
lot of food in and this is high calorie. When I was syringe
feeding
Tucker I took him to get fluids under the skin a couple of times
and
my vet only charges $14 to do it. My thoughts are that vets treat
the symptoms but sometimes forget that we also need to treat the
underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which causes a
poor
immune system. I would say find something to boost the immune
system as well. Since you are syringing you can just add
supplements
right to the food. I syringe Tucker a tiny bit of food twice
everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion would be if
cost
is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It equals
out
to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do
Vitality
Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a
ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on
products look and the ingredients and find something you feel
comfortable with. I would give supplements not only while sick
but
as a maintenance to keep my kitties immune system strong, and
fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and starts eating on
her
own. Keep us posted!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM, wrote:
Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
---- Miss Olivia Valencia wrote:
My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other
day,
she had a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her
metacam,doxycycline & depo medrol Her fever has come down a
little. But she hasn't been eating & just been laying in the
same
spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been syringe
feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any
other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating? frown
emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be
expected?
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:15:20 -0500
From: To: Amy , [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
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AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO NEUTER AND SPAY, THEN THERE
WOULD BE NO STRAYS.
---- Amy wrote:
Lorrie,
That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best
to
find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my
home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the
leuk
positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full
with
non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk
pos?
We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90
days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure
they
aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we
have
taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for
more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains
positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for
helping these kitties!!!!
Let me know!Thanks Amy
From: Lorrie To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday,
May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
? ? Lorrie,
? ? Do you have pictures?? I would love to see what you've done!
? ? Kat (Mew Jersey)
Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy
lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the
group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside
you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
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It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
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My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.? Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large
kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.? The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty
kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.
The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.? The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable
young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for
them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.
Lorrie
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