If all of us combined hav done something to help you and your cat, that is all that is needed
---- ROBERT CHAPEL <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm still not entirely sure how best to follow this digest format... I want to thank everyone for their fine and helpful advice..... I've gotten more useful information from a week of following this listserve than in the couple of months I've been researching FeLV on the Web.... I apologize for not specifying help from specific people in specific emails but Jane, Dagmar, Amani..thank you!!.. You've given me a variety of things to look into.... Kind Regards, Bob On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. tigger (Jane Gannon) > 2. Re: Winstrol (Jane Gannon) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:21:30 -0700 > From: "Jane Gannon" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] tigger > Message-ID: <4FA785C856BA49AA8A28B5F56119C43B@JaneGannonPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Ardy. > > I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger > has gone to cat heaven. He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of > personality and mischevious. I love those kind, they always keep you > smiling. You did your best to help him. I had 12 cats diagnosed > positive about a year and a half ago and since that time I have lost > 7. Two just died in April, one had FIP and the other just layed down > and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs something was off for > about a week. I have 2 more that started problems last week. One is > 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating well. > She also has a heart condition. I am waiting to see what happens. > The other one is not eating much and is not herself. I just had her > to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad. We > talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am > waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan. My 13 year old > positive has a heart m > urmur and we are thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it > says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions. His blood > work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though his > appetite is good. And my other positive also has FIV and is starting > to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time. If winstrol > increases appetites, that would not be good for him. I did not do > blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at > this time. > I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I > loose a cat and it makes me feel a little bit better. Makes me smile > and cry. I do belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they > do. I need to believe this. > Jane > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:42:15 -0700 > From: "Jane Gannon" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=original > > It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye. It is > very serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye > ointment with steroids. Research it on line, you can find pictures. > The eyeball can even become swollen and bulge. It can have a brownish > spot on it. Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 > positives that have had this and it will clear up with treatment but > it can come back. They were put on metacam for the pain and also for > the inflamation along with an ointment containing cortisone. It is > serious. Follow instructions for how often to do the ointment. > > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 > PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > >> Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing >> it in the corner of my eye when it itches. My cats eat it all the >> time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. >> would oothe it. >> ---- Amani Oakley wrote: >>> Hi Bob >>> >>> As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I >>> can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results >>> with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The >>> solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small >>> amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is >>> safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the >>> contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often >>> helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can >>> alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. >>> >>> If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count >>> is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye >>> cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help. >>> >>> Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk >>> of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try >>> the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the >>> results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a >>> reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any >>> anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative. >>> >>> At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes >>> with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the >>> advancement of the FeLV virus. >>> >>> Amani >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL >>> Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol >>> >>> >>> I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the >>> threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... >>> Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, >>> are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the >>> pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the >>> fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body >>> builders and athletes....?? >>> >>> Also...... anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ >>> Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes >>> Virus infection).... I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 >>> months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea >>> of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit >>> off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well >>> since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating >>> Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI.... Last week he >>> developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be >>> burst capillaries.... The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for >>> this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as >>> I might be inclined.... the cats are uninsurable by all the pet >>> insurance companies I contacted).... that vet offered little in the >>> way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and >>> prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and >>> Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp)..... Frankly I think the guy >>> hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him >>> elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( >>> if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only >>> the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very >>> little as they get a very discounted rate).... This is my first >>> experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously.... I am >>> not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive >>> unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already >>> providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT >>> more love and attention than they ever would have known..... >>> Still.... his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is >>> causing him pain...... Making an appt. to have blood work done to >>> get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets.... Gums appear to >>> still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighter so I am >>> hopeful that he is not severely anemic.... But have NO idea what >>> might have caused the blood in his eye..... also there is some clear >>> discharge which I wipe away several times during the day....... Any >>> thoughts welcome... >>> >>> Bob >>> Warwick NY >>> >>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, >>> [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> >>>> >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol ([email protected]) >>>> 2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ ([email protected]) >>>> 3. Re: Cat Sanctuary ([email protected]) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500 >>>> From: To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol >>>> Message-ID: <20160516115523.U40WC.1807.root@pamxwww03-z01> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> GOOD VET! >>>> >>>> ---- Rachel Dagner wrote: >>>>> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his >>>>> leg >>>>> and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he >>>>> didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me >>>>> if >>>>> I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside >>>>> too. >>>>> We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he >>>>> could live three months or a long normal life there was just no >>>>> telling. She never even said the word euthanize. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or >>>>> keep Annie, treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door >>>>> and >>>>> never returned if he only had one solution. Find another vet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---- Ardy Robertson wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help >>>>>> people, especially people like me who had no experience with >>>>>> FeLV. >>>>>> Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you >>>>>> are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My >>>>>> vets >>>>>> even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring >>>>>> them >>>>>> in that day for euthanizing! I said ?no?! If there was a >>>>>> website >>>>>> that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that >>>>>> would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while >>>>>> I >>>>>> was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets >>>>>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, >>>>>> valuable >>>>>> time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking a >>>>>> dive. >>>>>> They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test results. >>>>>> I >>>>>> basically had to learn everything from reading online. For >>>>>> instance >>>>>> I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis. We had brought >>>>>> a >>>>>> stray into our house, and she was running up behi >>>> nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high. I >>>> also >>>> learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to >>>> other >>>> cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age >>>> because >>>> their immune system can usually defend them from it. That is also >>>> how >>>> I found this group online. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn >>>>>> the >>>>>> bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to >>>>>> take >>>>>> a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way >>>>>> to >>>>>> get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol. I found a source in >>>>>> Canada, >>>>>> but they were not able to ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin, >>>>>> so >>>>>> I had to find a source in the US. Again, as a novice, I did not >>>>>> have the information I needed to make any meaningful decisions. I >>>>>> happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do the searching >>>>>> for >>>>>> ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving cat >>>>>> owner who just doesn?t happen to be able to find things online >>>>>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical??both >>>>>> for >>>>>> cat owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary >>>>>> community! I hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat >>>>>> parents. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share >>>>>> Tigger?s treatment details, along with his blood test results. >>>>>> Even >>>>>> though we eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional >>>>>> time with him ? and it was good quality time with him feeling >>>>>> very >>>>>> good, and playful most of the time. I also feel he may have >>>>>> pulled >>>>>> through this particular crisis if I had started this treatment >>>>>> regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could be wrong, >>>>>> but >>>>>> I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, waiting >>>>>> for some period of stress in the cat?s life, and then it pops up >>>>>> and >>>>>> attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat >>>>>> through >>>>>> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off >>>>>> again, >>>>>> possibly for very long periods, especially if the cat?s stress >>>>>> levels can be kept low. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ardy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Rachel Dagner >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a >>>>>> face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you >>>>>> believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably >>>>>> makes >>>>>> all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help >>>>>> people >>>>>> on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are >>>>>> a >>>>>> wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for >>>>>> information instead of having to start over completely with a new >>>>>> person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I >>>>>> have no idea how to do one. But I am good at researching and >>>>>> figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rachel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working >>>>>> until >>>>>> about 4:30 a.m. That?s one thing about working for myself (with >>>>>> just >>>>>> my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have >>>>>> and >>>>>> that is that I don?t get up early since I generally work all >>>>>> night. >>>>>> I figure since I?m the boss, I don?t have to justify my hours to >>>>>> anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or >>>>>> trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, >>>>>> but >>>>>> frankly, when I am in court, I generally don?t go to bed at all. >>>>>> Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of >>>>>> Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that >>>>>> I >>>>>> hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it?s not a ?shift?. I?m >>>>>> just up ALL night and work all day TOO. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than >>>>>> me >>>>>> when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect >>>>>> the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us >>>>>> to >>>>>> collect credible objective scientific information if we are going >>>>>> to >>>>>> convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against >>>>>> Winstrol. >>>>>> At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a >>>>>> particular case, but it isn?t a demon drug to be avoided at all >>>>>> costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner >>>>>> would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, >>>>>> that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad >>>>>> shape, >>>>>> all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a >>>>>> lot >>>>>> of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn?t always >>>>>> work. >>>>>> However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in >>>>>> circumstances >>>>>> where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to >>>>>> offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I >>>> simply don?t get the reluctance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep >>>>>> track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they >>>>>> obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with >>>>>> that >>>>>> information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a >>>>>> fed, >>>>>> posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to >>>>>> save >>>>>> their babies. And I wouldn?t want to expose my vet to criticism >>>>>> from >>>>>> colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I >>>>>> let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my >>>>>> ordeal with Zander. She wasn?t the first vet who diagnosed him >>>>>> and >>>>>> she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER >>>>>> clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications >>>>>> regimes, >>>>>> and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the >>>>>> different treatment modalities to determine what was working and >>>>>> what wasn?t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, >>>>>> but >>>>>> you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a >>>> death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the >>>> crisis >>>> and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me >>>> that maybe it wasn?t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is >>>> no >>>> way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced ? even >>>> with >>>> weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. >>>> Anyway, >>>> all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet >>>> believes >>>> that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I >>>> am >>>> sure she would temper her comments so she doesn?t appear foolish >>>> and >>>> out of step to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able >>>>>> to >>>>>> obtain the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to >>>>>> me >>>>>> that this may be the most promising route. The trouble isn?t >>>>>> getting >>>>>> the Winstrol once you have a prescription ? the problem is >>>>>> getting >>>>>> that prescription from your vet. Once you have that, you can >>>>>> order >>>>>> the medication online from a compounding pharmacy and Ardy let us >>>>>> know about the one she used which shipped to her from another >>>>>> state. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to >>>>>> have >>>>>> a talk with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing >>>>>> little in the way of options except euthanasia, and a trial of >>>>>> Winstrol is inexpensive and certainly not painful to the cat, so >>>>>> rather than simply putting the cat down, why not trying the >>>>>> Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver damage, >>>>>> and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that >>>>>> risk >>>>>> but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often >>>>>> rise >>>>>> with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific >>>>>> trials >>>>>> linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the >>>>>> end, >>>>>> you are in charge. Of course the vet can refuse to provide the >>>>>> Winstrol and can decide he/she doesn?t want you for a client, so >>>>>> remain calm and not belligerent if you want to avoid that >>>>>> outcome. I >>>>>> would like to think that most vets, when faced with a logical, >>>>>> measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would a >>>> ssist even if you don?t have their full support on the chosen >>>> treatment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can >>>>>> be >>>>>> shared so people know where they can go where they will get the >>>>>> support they need for their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near >>>>>> Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am happy to provide them with my >>>>>> vet?s >>>>>> name and location. She is very kind, really cares about my cats, >>>>>> and >>>>>> respects my input very much, so we get along just fine. I have >>>>>> moved >>>>>> away from where the clinic is located and now have to travel >>>>>> close >>>>>> to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going >>>>>> through the same battle with another vet right now, so I?ll stick >>>>>> to >>>>>> the ones who have known me for decades and respect my decisions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Remember too that I used a number of medications with the >>>>>> Winstrol. >>>>>> I used prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to >>>>>> have >>>>>> problems passing stool for a while and research online shows that >>>>>> FeLV affects the intestinal walls as well ? metoclopramide was >>>>>> VERY >>>>>> helpful to get the stool moving regularly and I believe without >>>>>> the >>>>>> stool sitting still in one area of the intestinal tract, it took >>>>>> away the environment which encouraged the intestinal walls to be >>>>>> attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I was trying >>>>>> help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so >>>>>> as >>>>>> to ?pick our battles?, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead >>>>>> of >>>>>> the Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that >>>>>> antibiotics don?t kill viruses, and I couldn?t remember why >>>>>> Doxycycline was so important. I figured I had used it for >>>>>> covering >>>>>> for potential secondary infections. However, after seeing some >>>>>> blasts showing up on the blood work, I reconsidered and rememb >>>> ered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA synthesis, which >>>> is >>>> how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was working to >>>> restore >>>> progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood cells >>>> produced, >>>> the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to reproduce >>>> unchecked. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And Rachel ? I am not ?that? kind of a lawyer, so I can?t defend >>>>>> you >>>>>> from a drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I >>>>>> promise to get you help should you end up in trouble because of >>>>>> my >>>>>> preaching about Winstrol:). I am a medical malpractice lawyer - >>>>>> Google me ? I figured I would put my scientific and medical >>>>>> knowledge to good use when I left the medical field behind. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> See ? not all lawyers are bad! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Amani >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Rachel Dagner >>>>>> Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani >>>>>> thoughts >>>>>> for Winstrol >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good Morning Amani, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people >>>>>> to >>>>>> get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So >>>>>> I >>>>>> was thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those >>>>>> of >>>>>> us looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who >>>>>> have tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters >>>>>> from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. You >>>>>> could >>>>>> then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The >>>>>> more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to >>>>>> try it again and share their experience with other vets. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty >>>>>> drug >>>>>> dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could >>>>>> write >>>>>> a book about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Option one sounds a little more promising though. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rachel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o >>>>>> rg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >>>>> g >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:02:35 -0500 >>>> From: To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+ >>>> Message-ID: <20160516120235.PJPAU.1851.root@pamxwww03-z01> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> RE: stool, I give my guys about 1/4 teaspoon coconut oil every >>>> day. >>>> They ask for it. I don't have as much problem with hairballs since >>>> we >>>> started this. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- Amani Oakley wrote: >>>>> Olivia >>>>> >>>>> It is a slow process. Once you get a bit of food into Kokonuts, >>>>> she >>>>> will hopefully start feeling better. Keep feeding her small >>>>> amounts >>>>> at multiple times of the day, if you can. Ask the vet to give her >>>>> subcutaneous fluids or to show you how to do it at home (t is >>>>> pretty >>>>> easy). She is probably dehydrated as well as not eating well. Good >>>>> for you to get the Pedialyte into her - that is exactly what she >>>>> needs - electrolytes - but with subcutaneous fluids, there is a >>>>> much >>>>> faster uptake of the fluids, body-wide, then if it is given >>>>> orally. >>>>> See if her stool is coming out regularly. If not, consider asking >>>>> the >>>>> vet for Metoclopromide. As I mentioned in another post, FeLV often >>>>> negatively impacts the intestinal tract and causes the stool to >>>>> slow >>>>> down. The Metoclopromide helps to empty the stomach and increases >>>>> peristaltic action which moves the stool along and this makes the >>>>> cat >>>>> feel a bit better after a meal. >>>>> >>>>> I strongly suggest the Winstrol if nothing else but to increase >>>>> appetite and feeling better. That boost alone will go miles to >>>>> helping your cat fight this battle. >>>>> >>>>> Amani >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of . . >>>>> Sent: May-15-16 12:46 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+ >>>>> >>>>> How long has anyone ever syringe fed a cat . How long will it take >>>>> a >>>>> cat to feel better weeks ,months? Please share thanks Sent from my >>>>> iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On May 15, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Rachel Dagner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Olivia, >>>>>> So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very >>>>>> important are you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to >>>>>> get a >>>>>> lot of food in and this is high calorie. When I was syringe >>>>>> feeding >>>>>> Tucker I took him to get fluids under the skin a couple of times >>>>>> and >>>>>> my vet only charges $14 to do it. My thoughts are that vets treat >>>>>> the symptoms but sometimes forget that we also need to treat the >>>>>> underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which causes a >>>>>> poor >>>>>> immune system. I would say find something to boost the immune >>>>>> system as well. Since you are syringing you can just add >>>>>> supplements >>>>>> right to the food. I syringe Tucker a tiny bit of food twice >>>>>> everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion would be if >>>>>> cost >>>>>> is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It equals >>>>>> out >>>>>> to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do >>>>>> Vitality >>>>>> Science Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a >>>>>> ninety day money back guarantee. You can do some research on >>>>>> products look and the ingredients and find something you feel >>>>>> comfortable with. I would give supplements not only while sick >>>>>> but >>>>>> as a maintenance to keep my kitties immune system strong, and >>>>>> fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and starts eating on >>>>>> her >>>>>> own. Keep us posted! >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---- Miss Olivia Valencia wrote: >>>>>>>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other >>>>>>>> day, >>>>>>>> she had a fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her >>>>>>>> metacam,doxycycline & depo medrol Her fever has come down a >>>>>>>> little. But she hasn't been eating & just been laying in the >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been syringe >>>>>>>> feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any >>>>>>>> other recommendations-For food & staying hydrating? frown >>>>>>>> emoticon has anybody else experienced this? whats to be >>>>>>>> expected? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia. >>>>>>> org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o >>>>>> rg >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >>>>> g >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >>>>> g >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 11:15:20 -0500 >>>> From: To: Amy , [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary >>>> Message-ID: <20160516121520.SLLRS.1918.root@pamxwww03-z01> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO NEUTER AND SPAY, THEN THERE >>>> WOULD BE NO STRAYS. >>>> >>>> ---- Amy wrote: >>>>> Lorrie, >>>>> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a >>>>> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best >>>>> to >>>>> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the >>>>> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my >>>>> home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the >>>>> leuk >>>>> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full >>>>> with >>>>> non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to >>>>> contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk >>>>> pos? >>>>> We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 >>>>> days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure >>>>> they >>>>> aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we >>>>> have >>>>> taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for >>>>> more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains >>>>> positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for >>>>> helping these kitties!!!! >>>>> Let me know!Thanks Amy >>>>> >>>>> From: Lorrie To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, >>>>> May 15, 2016 6:56 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ? ? Lorrie, >>>>>> >>>>>> ? ? Do you have pictures?? I would love to see what you've done! >>>>>> >>>>>> ? ? Kat (Mew Jersey) >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy >>>>> lot >>>>> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a >>>>> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the >>>>> group, >>>>> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside >>>>> you >>>>> just see a two story brick building not the inside. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't >>>>> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.? Downstairs are 5 >>>>> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or >>>>> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large >>>>> kitchen, >>>>> full bathroom and a half bath.? The cats have access to every room >>>>> and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten. >>>>> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty >>>>> kondos. >>>>> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look >>>>> outside. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and >>>>> upstairs rooms.? The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable >>>>> young >>>>> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for >>>>> them. >>>>> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat >>>>> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the >>>>> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. >>>>> >>>>> Lorrie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >>>>> g >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 47 >>>> **************************************** >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 56 > **************************************** > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
