Try contacting Jaxon Galaxy, he might know of a good vet in that area.
---- Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > Hi Realissa. I don't know any vets in the Los Angeles area, but I am not sure > too many vets are really experts on FeLV anyway. Many of us in this support > group have shared experiences where the vets just want you to put FeLV cats > down. There is a group of vets, and a particular mindset in the vet > community, that says that if they can put down all the cats with FeLV, they > can eradicate or at least significantly reduce the incidence of the > infection, so you may detect undercurrents of this philosophy in what some > vets recommend or how they talk to people with FeLV cats. This is especially > so when we get a particularly virulent response to our desire to help these > cats - we can sometimes be accused by the vets of not considering the > well-being of the cat and being selfish and only thinking of ourselves. (I > have always thought this to be a very weird concept - that if I don't want my > cat dead and buried six feet under, then I am the one not looking out for my > cat's well-being.) > > Anyhow, I would say this to you: it is far far more important to have a > sympathetic vet who is willing to try different things you have researched, > which may be effective with FeLV, than looking for an "expert". If you like > your vet and you have good rapport with him or her, have a frank discussion > where you indicate your determination to see what can be done to help your > cats, and ask the vet to support your decision to do this. This was the > greatest gift my vets gave to me when I was dealing with Zander. I had a long > history with them, and they knew I wasn't stupid and they also knew my > philosophy of never giving up on an animal unless there really was no hope, > so they stepped back and let me try different things. They had never heard of > LTCI, for example, and I told them I had found information about it on the > internet, brought in a print-out and they agreed to receive the product which > I had shipped to them. They gave him injections on schedule and drew the > bloodwork I wa > nted, in order to assess LTCI's effectiveness. They continued as long as I > wanted, and then, when I stumbled upon the Winstrol, they were equally > supportive (and pretty amazed at Zander's response). > > In my opinion, that is the very best you can hope for with a vet - a partner > with you who is there to support you and give you advice and suggestions as > needed, and not to give you the guilt treatment because you are fighting to > save your cats. > > I'm sorry that I am not familiar with NHV felimm, and I don't recall anyone > else in this group ever mentioning it either. See what you can discover on > line. See if there are any scientific papers that indicate it is effective. > > Amani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Realissa Dekraunti > Sent: June-06-16 5:16 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 19 > > Amani, thanks a bunch for the exhaustive e-mail. I really appreciate. > > My current vet doesn't seem to be an expert on felv. Do you know any vet in > Los Angeles area? > > Also, what do you think of NHV felimm? > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 05 giu 2016, at 22:23, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do now? > > (Amani Oakley) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 05:23:03 +0000 > > From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do > > now? > > Message-ID: > > <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE30166F9881A@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Realissa > > > > You are a newcomer to the group, and so I will tell you what all our group > > is already tired of hearing me say. I apologize in advance to the other > > members of this group, for my incessant repetition. > > > > First, I agree with Marsha. As long as your cats are okay right now, > > don?t panic. Nothing is going to happen in the short term.] > > > > I would recommend the following: > > > > > > 1. Get baseline blood work done including a full haematology panel, > > along with a reticulocyte count. (this latter test is not usually part of > > the haematology panel so you need to ask for it specifically.) You can get > > a full biochemistry panel done as well, but chances are it won?t be too > > illuminating. However, it will give you baseline results. > > > > 2. If there are any signs of anemia at all, including low RBC?s (red > > cells), haematocrit, haemoglobin, abnormals in the MCV, MCHC or MCH values, > > or a low reticulocyte count, OR if any of the other cell lines (white cells > > or platelets) are low or showing abnormalities, I personally would not wait > > for anything worse results. I would start your cats on a number of > > medications: > > > > > > a) 1 mg of Winstrol (Stanazolol) x2 per day (very inexpensive > > medication, but your vet may not know it and probably doesn?t know how to > > get it ? see more below) ? for very sick cats, start at double this dose ? > > 2mg x2 per day; > > > > b) 50 mg Doxycycline x2 per day; (again, check with the vet ? you may > > start this at 100 mg a day for very sick cats) > > > > c) ? to ? tablet of prednisone x2 per day; > > > > d) If there are any signs of problems with food moving through the > > intestines, also add ? tablet of metoclopramide given twice daily and > > preferably about ? an hour before meal times in the morning and evening (it > > helps quell nausea and it accelerates peristaltic action which helps empty > > the stomach and pushes food through the intestinal tract. > > > > Now about Winstrol. This is an ANABOLIC steroid (not a corticosteroid > > like prednisone) and as such, you have probably never heard of it, nor > > has your vet, except in connection with doping scandals in > > professional athletics. Likely, your vet will be dead set against > > using it. I found that it was the only thing that helped my little > > Zander, after I had tried (a) blood transfusions; (b) injectable > > interferon; and (c) LTCI. My cat was in very very bad shape with an > > extremely low haematocrit that dropped to 5 after his major ?episode? > > with the norm being 35-45 in cats. He was under an oxygen tent at that > > point because he had so few red cells that his body was unable to > > properly transport oxygen to the cells. He was basically in a coma. I > > had the vets give him blood transfusions, which got his haematocrit up > > to 16 ? still a far cry from normal ? but it bought us some time. This > > is when I tried all the various items mentioned. I also did weekly > > blood work to assess whether any of > hi > > s haematology results were showing ANY improvements at all. None of > > them caused his three cell lines to budge upwards at all. (You may > > know that the FeLV virus infiltrates the bone marrow and causes > > infected cells to reproduce, thus filling the bone marrow with > > diseased cells that cannot produce red cells, white cells and > > platelets as normally occurs. With the bone marrow no longer producing > > needed blood cells, the ones in circulation eventually die off ? life > > span of red cells for example is 120 days ? and there is nothing to > > replace them.) > > > > After purchasing and couriering to my vets, these various treatments, I > > would try them for a number of months. None of them did a thing. All of > > them were extremely expensive. > > > > We got another blood transfusion for Zander when his haematocrit dropped > > back down to below 10. Again, he went up to 14 or 16 or so, and this time, > > he had had a reaction to the blood transfusion and so we were told that > > this was it. We could no longer give him more transfusions. > > > > While sinking into despair that I had no other options to try, I ransacked > > my supply of cat medications I had in my drawer. I found Winstrol, which > > had been given to me for another cat, years and years ago. It was just > > supposed to make the other cat feel better and perhaps increase his > > appetite ? the other cat had FIV and died within 2 days of going the vets, > > and so I had not even had a chance to try the Winstrol on the other cat. I > > had absolutely nothing else and figured, what the hell. > > > > To my very great surprise, it ended up taking my very very anemic and > > desperately ill Zander, and turned him right around. It is a long term > > medication so Zander was on it for at least 10 months before his lab > > results (which I continued to run weekly) showed his haematology > > results to be perfectly normal, and every time I tried to wean him > > down, his lab results would drop again. However, after a year, I did > > wean him to lower levels, but I watched him like a hawk and any signs > > of paler than normal gums or paw pads, and I would give him a 6 to 8 > > week stint of Winstrol at the 1 mg x2 days or even down to 1 mg a day > > > > Be forewarned that your vet, if he has heard of Winstrol, will tell > > you that it causes liver damage. In my experience, the liver enzymes > > often do rise, but will fall back into the normal range once the > > Winstrol is discontinued. As far as I am able to tell, there is no > > lasting damage, and despite the fact that I have spent literally > > hundreds of hours on the internet researching this drug (for both > > humans and animals) I am unable to find any true, > > scientifically-established link to any actual liver damage. (Website > > after website recites that it is known to cause or may cause liver > > damage, but none of them have any scientific references or even case > > studies to back up this claim.) For your cats, if they are not > > exhibiting any symptoms, this may be more of an issue for you to > > consider. Most of us in this group, have had cats in desperate > > situations when we looked for something like Winstrol, so obviously, a > > risk of liver issues was a completely acceptable risk. However, I am > > pr > et > > ty confident that the risk of liver problems is an extremely inflated and > > unsubstantiated threat. > > > > If you do decide to go this route, your vet needs to get the Winstrol from > > a compounding pharmacy, but unlike the other options out there like > > Interferon and LTCI, (which are pretty expensive) Winstrol is not ? maybe a > > $1 a pill or something like that ? I can?t remember for sure. > > > > However, this is just my opinion and experience. Zander lived 6 years after > > his ?crash? and after the vets told me there was nothing to do for him but > > put him down. From reading the emails of others in this group, there are > > some who have had good experiences with Interferon and LTCI. I recently > > learned that there are four subgroups of the virus that causes FeLV and > > thus, this may explain why different people have different experiences with > > these medications. However, in my book, if I had the opportunity to do > > things again, I would have started Zander on Winstrol as soon as he was > > diagnosed with FeLV and when he had the first minor problem show itself. > > Winstrol, as an anabolic steroid, strengthens body (muscle and promotes > > bone growth, etc), enhances appetite and a sense of energy and well-being, > > so I think it is a good support for the system stressed by the FeLV virus > > in any event. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > > Of Realissa Dekraunti > > Sent: June-05-16 8:51 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do now? > > > > Hi everybody. Thank you for accepting me in this group. I am just too > > devastated to think straight. I rescued two cats in October and I found out > > two days ago that they are both Felv positive. We did an Elisa test on > > Thursday, and it came back positive, and an IFA that confirmed the positive > > results. I live in LA and I don't know what to do, where to go, if there is > > alternative medicine. I love these two cats more than I could ever imagine > > and it is breaking my heart. Any input, help, direction you could give me, > > would be incredibly appreciated. They are FIV negative but FELV positive. I > > have heard there is a medicine called LTCI but that it is very expensive. I > > am also heard of Virbagen Omega, L Lysin, Interfone. 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