I had personal with both.  Since I did not respond it was stopped, then they 
started 2 units of blood following the procrit.  It did not work either (they 
were giveing me Gymzar), so oncologist stopped it.  I later went into 
spontaneous remission after 1 year.  It has been 12 years now.

---- Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
> 

I have used Aranesp (Darbepoetin) for a young cat with non-regenerative anemia 
in kidney crisis. It seems better tolerated by cats than Epogen, and is given 
less frequently. It isn't cheap, my little vial was $200, but she only actually 
needed three doses. Two of those were given while she was hospitalized, and 1 
here. The vial would have been 10 doses for her, but she was tiny. She has 
maintained well(Knock On Wood)and will have bloodwork again in December, which 
is almost a year from onset.

I don't know that it would be effective in non-kidney related anemia.

HTH

Margo

-----Original Message-----
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
>Sent: Sep 18, 2016 5:21 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs....
>
>Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or 
>Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney 
>Failure patients)....   It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used 
>for veterinary purposes than human....   As the go to drug for anemia in 
>Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " should" work for 
>Feline anemia......    There will not be the same resistance to using 
>this as we encounter attempting to procure Winstrol......
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
>wrote:
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>>    1. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>    2. Re: No Mail (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>    3. Re: non regenerative anaemia (Anna Summers)
>>    4. Re: Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol (dlg...@windstream.net)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:32:11 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>> Message-ID: <20160916223211.2JALI.9765.root@pamxwww10-z01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Last year I switched vets because mine was always out on a farm call 
>> and I had to drive over 30 miles to St Louis to an emergency vet. 
>> This new vet is there when I need her unless it is 2AM, and more 
>> agreeable about trying new and different things.
>>
>> ---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on 
>>> getting
>>> our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't 
>>> cooperate.
>>> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :)
>>>
>>>
>>> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I 
>>> wanted
>>> for Tigg.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ardy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Sherri Godschalk
>>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>>>
>>>
>>> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told 
>>> me
>>> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned 
>>> the
>>> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up 
>>> Bogeys
>>> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next 
>>> appointment
>>> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because 
>>> the
>>> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a 
>>> little
>>> helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better 
>>> each time
>>> on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Felvtalk  >
>>> Reply-To:
>>>>
>>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM
>>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  "
>>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry - I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the 
>>> lymphocytes. I
>>> was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin
>>> concentration) which is also a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for 
>>> the
>>> doxycycline in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Sherri Godschalk
>>> Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First 
>>> Month on Stanzolol
>>>
>>>
>>> Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good. 
>>> Bogey
>>> was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off
>>> (Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then 
>>> went
>>> into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat
>>> because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on 
>>> the
>>> Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks 
>>> on, 10
>>> days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from 
>>> 9/16
>>> and the ones from 8/24.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                             9/16
>>> 8/24
>>>
>>> RBC                                                     2.57
>>> 2.43
>>>
>>> HCT                                                     15.3
>>> 15.3
>>>
>>> HGB                                     5.5
>>> 5.3
>>>
>>> MCV                                    59.1
>>> 62.6
>>>
>>> MCH                                    21.4
>>> 21.8
>>>
>>> MCHC                                  36.2
>>> 34.9
>>>
>>> RDW                                    23.7
>>> 23.9
>>>
>>> RETIC                                  78.1
>>> 61.5
>>>
>>> WBC                                    14.47
>>> 13.46
>>>
>>> NEU                                     4.07
>>> 4.03
>>>
>>> LYM                                                    8.83
>>> 7.75
>>>
>>> MONO                                1.52
>>> 1.58
>>>
>>> EOS                                                     .004
>>> .010
>>>
>>> BASO                                   .010
>>> .000
>>>
>>> PLT                                                      88
>>> 50
>>>
>>>
>>> She did not have a fever today and had gained almost .75 of a pound 
>>> since
>>> 8/1. She is still playing some, eating and drinking well. But still 
>>> is
>>> wobbly and sleeps quite a bit. She is holding her own on this drug 
>>> combo and
>>> the vet was very happy especially with the PLT, which I need to read 
>>> about
>>> again. We are keeping her on it for 30 days this next cycle and 
>>> rechecking
>>> then. (Although I will probably take her in before that because I am 
>>> a
>>> worrier)
>>>
>>>
>>> Just thought I would post this for other FELV+ owners incase you were
>>> doubting this drug (Stanzolol) because of the potential of damage 
>>> later in
>>> life. Remember we must get them to "later in life" first.
>>>
>>> Thank you all and best wishes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sherri
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:35:28 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail
>> Message-ID: <20160916223528.7GR0Q.9769.root@pamxwww10-z01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> No matter the caue of their death, we miss them.  Sometimes I think I 
>> see those who have gone on and call to them, but of corse, they are 
>> not there.  It is like with my mother and father, I start to tell them 
>> about an incident in my day and realize that I no longer can tell 
>> them.  My chirppractor told me to write a journal about each day.  It 
>> does seem to help.
>>
>>
>> ---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>> To Marsha,
>>> I'm so sorry that you lost Brock. It just happens to be the same day 
>>> I lost
>>> my Tigger... April 29th. What an awful day. I miss him so much, as I 
>>> am sure
>>> you miss Brock along with the other two before him. I now have a 
>>> little girl
>>> - Topaz and she is negative and vaccinated. I hate FeLV and hope they 
>>> can
>>> cure it someday.
>>> Ardy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Marsha
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 2:28 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail
>>>
>>> I lost my final FeLV+ boy on April 29 of this year.   Milkdud was my 
>>> first FeLV+ cat, who arrived in the fall of 2009.  Harley came a year 
>>> later.
>>> Then Brock became Harley's companion after Milkdud died.  Brock 
>>> wasn't
>>> lonely after Harley died last year, as Harley had been after Milkdud 
>>> passed,
>>> so I didn't look for a companion for Brock.  Cancer took all 3, 
>>> though
>>> Harley had a life-threatening URI 2 months before he got cancer, and 
>>> Brock
>>> had a heart condition that usually claims feline lives within 3 
>>> months, yet
>>> he happily survived a year with it.
>>>
>>> Missing my sweet, sweet boys,
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>> On 9/14/2016 6:17 PM, Lorrie wrote:
>>>> I've not had any mail from the group in about a month.
>>>> I hope this means you and your kitties are all doing well.
>>>> However I wonder if I've been dumped by the automatic system that 
>>>> claims I have bounced mail, which I do NOT.
>>>>
>>>> Lorrie
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:27:23 +0200
>> From: Anna Summers To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] non regenerative anaemia
>> Message-ID:
>>      
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> from the people in this group they have seen winstol help - try it ?. 
>> it might help her ? I lost my girl last year ,  I asked the vet to get 
>> me winstol but  by the time they found out about it , it was too late 
>> for mine.  Its such a horrible virus ? hopefully one day there will be 
>> more treatments ,sending lots of purrs from us in Spain .
>>> On 16 Sep 2016, at 19:33, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>> I have no experience with this as I have had no need for it, but 
>>> others have had very good luck.  I will add you both to my prayer 
>>> list
>>> ---- Lorelli  wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> My cat Sherpa is 18months old and Felv+.  10 days ago she was 
>>>> diagnosed with
>>>> severe non regenerative anaemia.  Haemocrit 12.7%.  She has been 
>>>> trying
>>>> hard, eating well and even hunting moths but went downhill 2 days 
>>>> ago. I was
>>>> all set to euthanase her today when I stumbled across the comments 
>>>> on
>>>> Winstrol.  My vet was willing to try something similar as she 
>>>> couldn't get
>>>> Winstrol in the UK.  She injected her with Laurabolin today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did the Winstrol help cats with non regenerative anaemia?  Are there 
>>>> any
>>>> helpful articles on it out there?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also how long should I give it before I decide if it is working or 
>>>> not?  I
>>>> don't want to prolong her suffering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She is still alert and trying to live but off her food now.  Vet has 
>>>> given
>>>> her Mirtazapine that may help that.  She is also on Veraflox for 
>>>> suspected
>>>> mycoplasma infection and Loxicom for fever.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice out there please?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lorelli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Anna Summers
>> Tel :00 34 670671493
>>
>>
>> (Camino de Guerrero, 62)
>> El Palmar, Vejer de la Frontera, 11159
>> Cadiz
>> Spain
>>
>> http://www.amproductionslocations.com/amproductions.html
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>> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 10:58:29 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>> Message-ID: <20160917115829.DQIFT.4512.root@pamxwww02-z01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Dose Doxycydine have a long shelf life?  It would be nice to get some 
>> ahead of time so you could start treatment right away.  This would 
>> require  cooperation from a vet, maybe online who could prescribe it 
>> for you and give instructions on how to administer it.  It is not hard 
>> to learn giving shots or iv's if necesseray.  Treating at home is less 
>> stressful and they have you for comfort, their own toys, beds, etc.
>>
>>
>> ---- Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>> That is so frustrating. It would be nice if we could concentrate on 
>>> getting
>>> our fur-babies better, and not have to battle vets who won't 
>>> cooperate.
>>> Doxycycline is a necessary part of the treatment if you ask me :)
>>>
>>>
>>> One of my vets finally gave up and gave me the prescriptions that I 
>>> wanted
>>> for Tigg.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ardy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Sherri Godschalk
>>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:22 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>>>
>>>
>>> Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told 
>>> me
>>> basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned 
>>> the
>>> doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can't double up 
>>> Bogeys
>>> meds because they only give me so much of it.until our next 
>>> appointment
>>> actually. I'm not comfortable with trying to find another vet because 
>>> the
>>> likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a 
>>> little
>>> helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better 
>>> each time
>>> on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Felvtalk  >
>>> Reply-To:
>>>>
>>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM
>>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  "
>>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry - I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the 
>>> lymphocytes. I
>>> was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin
>>> concentration) which is also a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for 
>>> the
>>> doxycycline in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Sherri Godschalk
>>> Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First 
>>> Month on Stanzolol
>>>
>>>
>>> Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good. 
>>> Bogey
>>> was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off
>>> (Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then 
>>> went
>>> into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat
>>> because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on 
>>> the
>>> Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks 
>>> on, 10
>>> days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from 
>>> 9/16
>>> and the ones from 8/24.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                             9/16
>>> 8/24
>>>
>>> RBC                                                     2.57
>>> 2.43
>>>
>>> HCT                                                     15.3
>>> 15.3
>>>
>>> HGB                                     5.5
>>> 5.3
>>>
>>> MCV                                    59.1
>>> 62.6
>>>
>>> MCH                                    21.4
>>> 21.8
>>>
>>> MCHC                                  36.2
>>> 34.9
>>>
>>> RDW                                    23.7
>>> 23.9
>>>
>>> RETIC                                  78.1
>>> 61.5
>>>
>>> WBC                                    14.47
>>> 13.46
>>>
>>> NEU                                     4.07
>>> 4.03
>>>
>>> LYM                                                    8.83
>>> 7.75
>>>
>>> MONO                                1.52
>>> 1.58
>>>
>>> EOS                                                     .004
>>> .010
>>>
>>> BASO                                   .010
>>> .000
>>>
>>> PLT                                                      88
>>> 50
>>>
>>>
>>> She did not have a fever today and had gained almost .75 of a pound 
>>> since
>>> 8/1. She is still playing some, eating and drinking well. But still 
>>> is
>>> wobbly and sleeps quite a bit. She is holding her own on this drug 
>>> combo and
>>> the vet was very happy especially with the PLT, which I need to read 
>>> about
>>> again. We are keeping her on it for 30 days this next cycle and 
>>> rechecking
>>> then. (Although I will probably take her in before that because I am 
>>> a
>>> worrier)
>>>
>>>
>>> Just thought I would post this for other FELV+ owners incase you were
>>> doubting this drug (Stanzolol) because of the potential of damage 
>>> later in
>>> life. Remember we must get them to "later in life" first.
>>>
>>> Thank you all and best wishes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sherri
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list
>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
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