I’m up for that Amani,

Even though I don’t presently have any fur-kids with FeLV, I want to do 
everything I can to help those who have FeLV positive babies. My Tigger will be 
in my heart forever, as you know :)

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 12:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

 

Ardy

 

Thank you for the comment, but I really feel that all I have is a scientific 
hypothesis based on my observations, research, and the weekly bloodwork I did 
on Zander. That is part of the problem of course, There are no actual studies. 
However, as more people take the step of tracking bloodwork and posting it for 
everyone to see, hopefully, we can build a body of information which might be 
helpful for others and for vets to see.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: October-03-16 10:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

 

Well I live in Osseo, Wisconsin – and the Osseo Vet Clinic prescribed it for 
me. They did not have a source for it, but I located one online for them, and 
the vet who is no longer there, would fill in a form online and order it, then 
I paid for it with a credit card and it shipped to my house with one refill. 
After that refill, the vet had to request it online again. The compounding 
pharmacy I found online was wonderful – they are called Diamond Back Drugs. I 
believe it is www.diamondbackdrugs.com <http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com>  and 
they are physically located in Arizona.

 

The Animal Wellness Center in Mondovi, Wisconsin SAID they would get it for me, 
only after I begged for it for weeks, but then they never quite got around to 
finding a source for it, and when I gave them the name of the Diamond Back Drug 
Company, they never quite got around to ordering it. So I changed to the Osseo 
Vet Clinic.

 

I do believe the other vets at the Osseo Vet Clinic would prescribe it for me 
because they were all aware Tigger was “using” :) and they knew that he made 
fantastic progress while on it. I just didn’t get him started on it earlier 
enough and I did not know to give him Doxycycline until it was too late. I 
think I would demand Doxycycline for him if I had it to do over again because I 
believe Amani is probably the most knowledgeable about this dreadful disease 
that the vets have no answer for other than euthanization.

 

That’s my 2 cents worth.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy 
Glunt
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 9:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

 

I think it would be really great if we could all compile a list of vets that 
prescribe the stanzolol, perhaps by state. That would be a really great 
resource for people who are looking for this information. I'm calling around my 
city tomorrow to see if I can find any vets who will prescribe it for my cat. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 1, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Sherri Godschalk <skgodschal...@gmail.com 
<mailto:skgodschal...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Had to shorten this…hope it doesn’t post twice as it went to the moderator 
because of size.

 

Good to know about the liver test. I will NOT mention it to my vet. 

 

Since this whole process has started for Bogey and I, I often wonder what logic 
is used when saying that the side affects from taking the Stanzolol are liver 
issues, but the side effect of not taking it, is death. I know for me 
personally, if I was sick and facing this decision, I know what I would do 
without question. Believe it or not, I read that exact paper you are describing 
when Bogey was first prescribed the Stanzolol. (Google search) I felt pretty 
defeated (although many of the terms were over my head) after reading it. I did 
not notice the dosages though. Doesn’t sound like a very scientific study does 
it. Maybe we should start our own. Post the names of vets who are willing to 
prescribe it as well as the results each person has with their pet that is 
taking it. There again, I am way out in front of myself here because Bogey is 
not thriving but she did just run into the room with a Q-tip in her mouth (her 
favorite toy) and 60 days ago she could barely walk into the room without 
laying down. She has also steadily gained weight. Over a pound which doesn’t 
sound like much but she barely weighed 5 pounds to begin with. Life is still 
happening here.

 

It does seem like there is secrecy surrounding vets prescribing Stanzolol. 
Almost like I am scoring some heroin or something. (no I am not a drug user) 
From what you found with your other cat, clearly this could be a positive 
choice for inoperable tumors, and or life extending treatment for senior pets. 
At any rate, I feel luckier each day that my current vet values the life of my 
cat enough to try to save her. It sounds like your vet is terrific and that you 
have a great, long relationship with them. I hope to have the same, one day.

 

Sherri

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > on behalf of Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> >
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Date: Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:29 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> " 
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

 

Sherri

 

I wouldn’t recommend you run the liver enzymes. If they rise (and they often 
do) it will cause your vet to try to get you to stop the Winstrol.

 

I was running a full biochemistry profile along with the full haematology 
profile on Zander. So tests like ALP, AST, ALT, TBili and DBili are indicators 
of liver function. With Zander, they rose sharply, but there was simply no 
other option but to continue. I had done all my research, tried out the two 
most likely new and promising therapies (LTCI and Interferon) and they were not 
at all (I mean AT ALL) helpful. So, discontinuing the Winstrol meant certain 
death for Zander. I am so glad I ignored the liver enzymes. They settled down 
on their own, and Zander never had any liver problems after almost a FULL YEAR 
on Winstrol.

 

I had another cat with a nasal sarcoma, who was 16 when she got the sarcoma and 
a tiny skinny thing. I put her on Winstrol because again, there were no really 
good options. Again, I had a great response, with it upping her appetite 
dramatically, and keeping the sarcoma in a shrunken state with far less 
discharge and swelling than prior to the administration of the Winstrol. Her 
liver enzymes went through the roof and the vet (a very good friend of mine who 
is the head of vet oncology and a brilliant man) knowing how I feel about 
Winstrol, just asked if I would agree to discontinue the Winstrol to see if the 
liver enzymes would reduce. (Very gently. He knew he was on thin ice.)  I did, 
for a few weeks, then put her back on. She lived to age 19 with that sarcoma, 
because the Winstrol kept her eating, and happy and strong.

 

One of the smart folks on this chatline, recently sent me what was likely the 
stupid vet research publication which likely started the whole “liver” scare. 
Look it up because I cannot attach it to this email as it will not go through. 
The title is, “Hepatotoxicity of stanozolol in cats” by Kenneth R. Harkin, et. 
al. in JAVMA, Vol. 217, No. 5, September 1, 2000. Bizarrely, in this study, the 
authors put the cats on a “loading dose” of 25 mg intramuscularly, then 2 mg a 
day by mouth, every 12 hours. So, just for starters, you see that for some 
reason, they started the cats on TEN TIMES the normal dose, and them kept them 
on at least TWO TIMES the normal dosefor the rest of the study. Even then, here 
are some telltale pieces of information:

 

 

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