lI like this. We could have a data base of vets willing to try it. ---- Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > Ardy > > Did you talk to people at Diamond Back Drugs, or did you just order it > online? I am wondering, if you spoke with them, whether they might be willing > to let you know which vets have ordered Winstrol from them, and explain that > there are lots of people looking for vets who are familiar with Winstrol. > That might be a way to do it too. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ardy > Robertson > Sent: October-03-16 10:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol > > Well I live in Osseo, Wisconsin – and the Osseo Vet Clinic prescribed it for > me. They did not have a source for it, but I located one online for them, and > the vet who is no longer there, would fill in a form online and order it, > then I paid for it with a credit card and it shipped to my house with one > refill. After that refill, the vet had to request it online again. The > compounding pharmacy I found online was wonderful – they are called Diamond > Back Drugs. I believe it is > www.diamondbackdrugs.com<http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com> and they are > physically located in Arizona. > > The Animal Wellness Center in Mondovi, Wisconsin SAID they would get it for > me, only after I begged for it for weeks, but then they never quite got > around to finding a source for it, and when I gave them the name of the > Diamond Back Drug Company, they never quite got around to ordering it. So I > changed to the Osseo Vet Clinic. > > I do believe the other vets at the Osseo Vet Clinic would prescribe it for me > because they were all aware Tigger was “using” ☺ and they knew that he made > fantastic progress while on it. I just didn’t get him started on it earlier > enough and I did not know to give him Doxycycline until it was too late. I > think I would demand Doxycycline for him if I had it to do over again because > I believe Amani is probably the most knowledgeable about this dreadful > disease that the vets have no answer for other than euthanization. > > That’s my 2 cents worth. > Ardy > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Amy > Glunt > Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 9:07 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol > > I think it would be really great if we could all compile a list of vets that > prescribe the stanzolol, perhaps by state. That would be a really great > resource for people who are looking for this information. I'm calling around > my city tomorrow to see if I can find any vets who will prescribe it for my > cat. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 1, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Sherri Godschalk > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Had to shorten this…hope it doesn’t post twice as it went to the moderator > because of size. > > Good to know about the liver test. I will NOT mention it to my vet. > > Since this whole process has started for Bogey and I, I often wonder what > logic is used when saying that the side affects from taking the Stanzolol are > liver issues, but the side effect of not taking it, is death. I know for me > personally, if I was sick and facing this decision, I know what I would do > without question. Believe it or not, I read that exact paper you are > describing when Bogey was first prescribed the Stanzolol. (Google search) I > felt pretty defeated (although many of the terms were over my head) after > reading it. I did not notice the dosages though. Doesn’t sound like a very > scientific study does it. Maybe we should start our own. Post the names of > vets who are willing to prescribe it as well as the results each person has > with their pet that is taking it. There again, I am way out in front of > myself here because Bogey is not thriving but she did just run into the room > with a Q-tip in her mouth (her favorite toy) and 60 days ago she could barely > walk into the room without laying down. She has also steadily gained weight. > Over a pound which doesn’t sound like much but she barely weighed 5 pounds to > begin with. Life is still happening here. > > It does seem like there is secrecy surrounding vets prescribing Stanzolol. > Almost like I am scoring some heroin or something. (no I am not a drug user) > From what you found with your other cat, clearly this could be a positive > choice for inoperable tumors, and or life extending treatment for senior > pets. At any rate, I feel luckier each day that my current vet values the > life of my cat enough to try to save her. It sounds like your vet is terrific > and that you have a great, long relationship with them. I hope to have the > same, one day. > > Sherri > > From: Felvtalk > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > on behalf of Amani Oakley > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Reply-To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:29 PM > To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol > > Sherri > > I wouldn’t recommend you run the liver enzymes. If they rise (and they often > do) it will cause your vet to try to get you to stop the Winstrol. > > I was running a full biochemistry profile along with the full haematology > profile on Zander. So tests like ALP, AST, ALT, TBili and DBili are > indicators of liver function. With Zander, they rose sharply, but there was > simply no other option but to continue. I had done all my research, tried out > the two most likely new and promising therapies (LTCI and Interferon) and > they were not at all (I mean AT ALL) helpful. So, discontinuing the Winstrol > meant certain death for Zander. I am so glad I ignored the liver enzymes. > They settled down on their own, and Zander never had any liver problems after > almost a FULL YEAR on Winstrol. > > I had another cat with a nasal sarcoma, who was 16 when she got the sarcoma > and a tiny skinny thing. I put her on Winstrol because again, there were no > really good options. Again, I had a great response, with it upping her > appetite dramatically, and keeping the sarcoma in a shrunken state with far > less discharge and swelling than prior to the administration of the Winstrol. > Her liver enzymes went through the roof and the vet (a very good friend of > mine who is the head of vet oncology and a brilliant man) knowing how I feel > about Winstrol, just asked if I would agree to discontinue the Winstrol to > see if the liver enzymes would reduce. (Very gently. He knew he was on thin > ice.) I did, for a few weeks, then put her back on. She lived to age 19 with > that sarcoma, because the Winstrol kept her eating, and happy and strong. > > One of the smart folks on this chatline, recently sent me what was likely the > stupid vet research publication which likely started the whole “liver” scare. > Look it up because I cannot attach it to this email as it will not go > through. The title is, “Hepatotoxicity of stanozolol in cats” by Kenneth R. > Harkin, et. al. in JAVMA, Vol. 217, No. 5, September 1, 2000. Bizarrely, in > this study, the authors put the cats on a “loading dose” of 25 mg > intramuscularly, then 2 mg a day by mouth, every 12 hours. So, just for > starters, you see that for some reason, they started the cats on TEN TIMES > the normal dose, and them kept them on at least TWO TIMES the normal dosefor > the rest of the study. Even then, here are some telltale pieces of > information: > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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