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1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58 (Amani Oakley)
2. Re: FelV kitten (Amani Oakley)
3. Aloe Acemannan (Tina Terrell)
4. Re: FelV kitten (Margo)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 05:18:21 +0000
From: Amani Oakley To: "[email protected]" Subject: Re:
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Bob
At 14 haematocrit, you've got a ways to go before your boy is in
crisis. I know you have tried everything Bob, and you are struggling
with costs, but if you could find a vet to prescribe the drug
combination we have discussed, would you do it? It isn?t all that
expensive really. If you tell me or Ardy directly , where you are
located, we can try to find a vet through Diamond Back compounding
pharmacy. I know how attached you are to your little boy, and frankly,
if he is still eating, I wouldn?t give up on him yet.
Amani
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: December-24-16 2:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58
Amani et al....
Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia
in a FeLV cat....Got a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork and the
vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia....? I was taken
aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear
that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.....?? I am at
the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of
other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that
is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think I
am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I
gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through
unconventional means).....Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and
more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood
values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)....?? As
much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many other
things wrong with him that I don't know that I a
m doing him any favors..... Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full
pound in the last 6 months.... If it weren't for the fact that he is
still eating heartily I'd put him down.... Without further treatment
is it kinder to put him down or allow nature to take it's
course??.....The idea of him suffering from an inability to get enough
O2 is unacceptable....
any suggestions are welcome.... but... please...? no admonitions re:
what I _ should_ do.....??? I have learned an immense amount from this
experience and will NOT repeat it...? My other boy is still doing OK
and I WILL find someone eventually that is willing to work with me..
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Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:16:02 +0000
From: Amani Oakley To: "[email protected]" Subject:
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Randy
The news is good. Whatever works. I am a big believer in keeping
close tabs on the bloodwork and adjusting the medication, depending
on what the lab results show.
Given that Curley is eating and you are getting an improvement on the
red cells already, I agree that the Winstrol and Doxy should help
even more. Keep track of the blood work and adjust accordingly.
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Randy Henke
Sent: December-23-16 11:02 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
The situation with Curly is getting a bit more complicated but in a
good way. Her blood work a week ago showed an RBC of 9 which is
critically low. White cell count was 3.1. After one week of
Prednisone her white cell count is 3.7 which is the low end of normal
and her red blood cell count is up to 13 which is still very low but
a very significant increase in just one week. So the Prednisone alone
is making a big difference. We've now had two positive ELISA tests, a
negative IFA and severe anemia that is responding well to just
Prednisone. I am very confused. Even our vet seems surprised by the
sudden improvement in her numbers. He thinks we should do a bone
marrow biopsy for a definitive FELV diagnosis but I don't really want
to put her through that procedure.
We did start the Winstrol a day ago so I would think that could only
help more. We should be tapering down the Prednisone dose at this
time but our vet now wants to continue the full dosage for another
two weeks before running another CBC. And the Doxy will be started on
Monday. I'm beginning to think she might pull out of this crisis and
we might have a little more time with her.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Ardy Robertson > wrote:
Best of luck to you with Curly ---- just wanted to mention there are
appetite stimulant pills available. One that I remember that I used
with Tigger was Mirtazapine and I only had to give a small part of a
pill every 3 days. Amani knows of another one but I can?t remember
the name of it.
Ardy
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Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 05:20:28 +0000
From: Amani Oakley To: "[email protected]" ,
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Frankly, it is not too late at all for the Winstrol. I have seen it
pull back cats with a much much lower haematocrit than Robert is
seeing.
Amani
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Lorrie
Sent: December-24-16 5:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV kitten
Robert, I am so sorry you are going thru this. I have lost many
kittens who were born with the virus, which they got from their mother
who was feral. All these precious kittens died at less than a year.
At first they were so playful and looked so healthy I thought the two
tests I'd had were surely wrong, but at 8 months I started to lose
them one by one. The 4th and last (my favorite) made it to 11 months.
I was devastated.
On the other hand I have had several older cats at my sanctuary who
must have contracted the virus when older. One died suddenly at 7
years old and the other is now 8 years old, and she has never been
sick. You never know what will happen.
If you had started your little guy on Winstrol a few weeks ago it
might have saved his life, but it is probably too late now.
I just wanted to tell you I am so sorry, and I know what you are going
thru.
Lorrie with 13 rescued cats at home and 32 in my sanctuary.
On 12-24, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
Amani et al....
Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia
in a FeLV cat....Got a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork and the
vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia....? I was taken
aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear
that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.....?? I am at
the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of
other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that
is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think
I am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using after
I gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through
unconventional means).....Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and
more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood
values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)....??
As much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many
other things wrong with him that I don't know that I am doing him any
favors..... Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full pound in the last
6 months.... If it weren't for the fact that he is still eating
heartily I'd put him down.... Without further treatment is it kinder
to put him down or allow nature to take it's course??.....The idea of
him suffering from an inability to get enough O2 is unacceptable....
any suggestions are welcome.... but... please...? no admonitions re:
what I _ should_ do.....??? I have learned an immense amount from
this experience and will NOT repeat it...? My other boy is still
doing OK and I WILL find someone eventually that is willing to work
with me..
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Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 07:14:03 -0600
From: Tina Terrell To: [email protected]
Subject: [Felvtalk] Aloe Acemannan
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Hello and Merry Christmas. I am in need of finding freeze dried
acemannan.
They have discontinued and it is helping my Charlie leaps and bounds.
He
has been off of it for 2 weeks and now he is sick with uri. Is steroid
and
antibiotic typical protocol? Thanks in advance!
Tina Terrell
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Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 08:23:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Margo To: [email protected], [email protected]
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Lorrie wrote "If you had started your little guy on Winstrol a few
weeks ago it
might have saved his life, but it is probably too late now."
And it might have done nothing. Th young ones seem to have little in
reserve to let them fight the disease. No point in second-guessing
what might have been, it can only be hurtful. If you can't find a Vet
that will cooperate, there's not much that can be done by a
lay-person, except to love them and do the best you can with what you
have available.
Margo
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From: Lorrie Sent: Dec 24, 2016 5:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV kitten
Robert, I am so sorry you are going thru this. I have lost many
kittens who were born with the virus, which they got from their
mother who was feral. All these precious kittens died at less than a
year. At first they were so playful and looked so healthy I thought
the two tests I'd had were surely wrong, but at 8 months I started to
lose them one by one. The 4th and last (my favorite) made it to 11
months. I was devastated.
On the other hand I have had several older cats at my sanctuary who
must have contracted the virus when older. One died suddenly at 7
years
old and the other is now 8 years old, and she has never been sick.
You never know what will happen.
If you had started your little guy on Winstrol a few weeks ago it
might have saved his life, but it is probably too late now.
I just wanted to tell you I am so sorry, and I know what you are
going thru.
Lorrie with 13 rescued cats at home and 32 in my sanctuary.
On 12-24, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
Amani et al....
Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia
in a FeLV cat....Got a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork and the
vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia....? I was taken
aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear
that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.....?? I am at
the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of
other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that
is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think
I am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using
after I gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through
unconventional means).....Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and
more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood
values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)....??
As much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many
other things wrong with him that I don't know that I am doing him
any favors..... Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full pound in the
last 6 months.... If it weren't for the fact that he is still eating
heartily I'd put him down.... Without further treatment is it kinder
to put him down or allow nature to take it's course??.....The idea
of him suffering from an inability to get enough O2 is
unacceptable....
any suggestions are welcome.... but... please...? no admonitions re:
what I _ should_ do.....??? I have learned an immense amount from
this experience and will NOT repeat it...? My other boy is still
doing OK and I WILL find someone eventually that is willing to work
with me..
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