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1. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help
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2. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help
(Ardy Robertson)
3. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help
(marlene melpignano)
4. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help
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5. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help
(Amani Oakley)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 14:24:50 -0500
From: To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
Message-ID: <20171101152450.OYSA9.18972.root@pamxwww01-z01>
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---- Amani Oakley wrote:
Marlene
The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly
on cats with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful
when a cat is not eating. Unfortunately, though there are other
steroids, I am not certain you will get the same result if you use
another steroid in place of the Winstrol. DO NOT USE another
antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus replication and is
added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the virus, to
enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a
secondary infection.
I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a
cat is dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the
response and if there isn?t an appreciable response after a
reasonable period of time, look for another option. But don?t have a
debate while the cat is declining. What's the worst that could
happen? It doesn?t work? What other options are they giving you???
COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES
WRONG?
I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you
go on line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like
Germany.
If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I
really doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on
of blood cell production in the bone marrow - I don?t think there is
another steroid that does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol
online from Germany or wherever else it can be sourced. But don't
wait. The longer you wait, the worse the condition of your cat, thus
worsening the chances of anything working.
Amani
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of marlene melpignano
Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma
or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have
a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a
university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide
whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were
just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise
they doubt about using doxycycline.
Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 23:28:40 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or
Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
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Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet,
every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the
canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not
legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
the one thing that can help them. I
t is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
Ardy
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
---- marlene melpignano wrote:
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma
or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have
a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a
university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide
whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were
just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise
they doubt about using doxycycline.
Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 10:03:38 +0000
From: marlene melpignano To: "[email protected]" Subject:
Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
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Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
Thanks all for your support.
Best
M&M
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Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is
not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
the one thing that can help them.
It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
Ardy
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
---- marlene melpignano wrote:
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or
were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on;
otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 8:21:32 -0500
From: To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
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Prayers for you and your baby.
---- marlene melpignano wrote:
Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
Thanks all for your support.
Best
M&M
Inviato da iPhone
Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him
an appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had
to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not
want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made
up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in
him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite
stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice
(we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful
that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against
it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties
have to suffer without the one thing that can help the
m. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
Ardy
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
---- marlene melpignano wrote:
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the
cat?
About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know
whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used
it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going
on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to
be done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As
of today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:09:34 +0000
From: Amani Oakley To: "[email protected]" Subject: Re:
[Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
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Pills.
Amani
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of marlene melpignano
Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called
stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I
will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in
Italy for felv cats.
What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less
stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the
injectable one .
I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this
afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
Thanks all for your support.
Best
M&M
Inviato da iPhone
Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson ha scritto:
Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol,
based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an
appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg
tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him
the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very
calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to
clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want
to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my
mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I
believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When
he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his
kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is
not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the
misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without
the one thing that can help them.
It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the
Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the
virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!
Ardy
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had
no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
---- marlene melpignano wrote:
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a
lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot
even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to
bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in
order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats?
Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal
in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide
not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether
your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or
were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on;
otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be
done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of
today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne
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