An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and you can get hold of it... Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve it..... I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is used... though, generally, with drugs some of the dose is lost while traveling through the digestive system and first pass through the liver ( though that will happen i)...  so I'd be "inclined" more toward injection if it's SubQ ( they hardly feel it) IM can be a bit more painful and I'd want to know for certain that there are clear advantages to this before I subjected a kitty to this... I'm so hoping fate and luck are with you and your kitty... On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 10:09 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:

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      (Ardy Robertson)
   3. Re: Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help
      (marlene melpignano)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 14:24:50 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
        immunomodulator - help
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---- Amani Oakley  wrote:
Marlene

The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly on cats with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful when a cat is not eating. Unfortunately, though there are other steroids, I am not certain you will get the same result if you use another steroid in place of the Winstrol. DO NOT USE another antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus replication and is added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the virus, to enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a secondary infection. I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a cat is dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the response and if there isn?t an appreciable response after a reasonable period of time, look for another option. But don?t have a debate while the cat is declining. What's the worst that could happen? It doesn?t work? What other options are they giving you???

COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG?

I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you go on line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like Germany. If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I really doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on of blood cell production in the bone marrow - I don?t think there is another steroid that does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol online from Germany or wherever else it can be sourced. But don't wait. The longer you wait, the worse the condition of your cat, thus worsening the chances of anything working.

Amani

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Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.

Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?

About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 23:28:40 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
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Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. I t is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!

Ardy

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Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you

---- marlene melpignano  wrote:
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.

Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?

About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 10:03:38 +0000
From: marlene melpignano To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
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Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats. What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the injectable one . I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M&M

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Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson  ha scritto:

Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can help them.
It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!

Ardy

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you

---- marlene melpignano  wrote:
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.

Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?

About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 8:21:32 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
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Prayers for you and your baby.

---- marlene melpignano  wrote:
Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats. What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the injectable one . I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M&M

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Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson  ha scritto:

Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can help the
m. It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you

---- marlene melpignano  wrote:
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.

Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?

About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 14:09:34 +0000
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
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Pills.
Amani

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Sent: November-02-17 6:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Dear all,
Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats. What is better, pills or injections? I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for the liver compared to the injectable one . I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just to get a better opinion than the Belgian one.

Thanks all for your support.
Best
M&M

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Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson  ha scritto:

Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on his bloodwork..... and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to suffer without the one thing that can help them.
It is also important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck with his treatment!!

Ardy

-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn. I have had no problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you

---- marlene melpignano  wrote:
Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.

Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?

About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.

Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not eating ...
Thanks for your help Marl?ne

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