Thank you Amani for giving this information again - if the vet is working with the pet and it's person there really isn't anything to lose trying "Zander's Protocol".
Sandy W > On July 26, 2019 at 12:50 PM Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > > > Hi Deborah > > > > Definitely – I have heard from several people who have tried the > combination Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone and their cats’ blood work improved > quickly, as well as their cats overall. I have heard from others who tried it > but their cat died very quickly (ie – within a day or two of their posting > asking for suggestions). Obviously, it’s impossible to tell, in those cases, > whether trying the meds earlier may have helped or whether the meds were just > completely ineffective. My suggestion is that if there are other things you > are wanting to try, you can probably go ahead and try those other options, in > addition to the Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone combination, because I don’t think > one thing precludes the other. > > > > There is very little that is effective, other than Zander’s Protocol, > when cats are showing severe anemia and the reduction of other cell lines > (platelets and white cells), so I don’t think that there’s an awful lot to > choose from. > > > > I must tell you though, that I have had very good success using Winstrol > in many other circumstances with my cats. I think cats respond well to > steroids generally, and my vet told me that once upon a time (20-30 years > ago), they used to hand out Winstrol “like candy” for almost any cat ailment > which involved loss of appetite, general malaise, etc. That stopped around > the time of the Ben Johnson Olympic scandal (1988 or something like that) and > then rumours began to be heard by the vets that Winstrol may damage the > liver, so everyone stopped using it. It is a pity, because I find it useful > for many conditions and I don’t think vets have anything at all to replace > what it can do for cats suffering from anemia, leukemia, etc. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> On Behalf Of Deborah > Whorley > Sent: July 26, 2019 11:43 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > > > > Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried > your protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and > will present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try. > > > > Thanks, > > Deb > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:45 <felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > mailto:felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol > > with low WBC (Amani Oakley) > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:45:12 +0000 > > From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > " <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > > Message-ID: > > > > <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE303A5715321@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local > > mailto:E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE303A5715321@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Deborah > > > > The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and > > there is the low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count. > > > > Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but > > they can also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal > > area of inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the > > circulatory system to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry > > is that there ma be a source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be > > elevated with a chronic infection as well. > > > > If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the > > way of antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and > > Gram negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along > > with another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some > > more unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I > > would also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent > > enhancing effect on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself > > wouldn?t be that worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably > > wouldn?t hurt to hold off on that one and see if you get some improvement > > on the Doxycycline/Other Antibiotic/Winstrol combination. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Deborah Whorley > > Sent: July 25, 2019 2:59 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > > > > Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing > > with constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like > > she does when she is ?backed up? but 100 cc SQ fluids didn?t resolve the > > issue as it normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve. I ended up > > with her in the emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was > > terrible (see below). Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses > > in lungs/abdomen. ER vet, and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred > > due to low WBC. Treating dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and > > mertazapine. ER vet also gave Convenia "just in case?. Going back on Fri to > > my vet for another CBC. Have been following this group for several years > > and want to try Amani?s treatment protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate > > giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb > > > > CBC (21Jul2019) > > NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I > > should have insisted upon > > > > Test Result Flag Normal Range Measure > > RBC 5.11 L 5.65 8.87 M/?L > > HCT 24.4 L 37.3 61.7 % > > HGB 7.8 L 13.1 20.5 > > g/dL > > MCV 47.7 L 61.6 73.5 fL > > MCH 15.3 L 21.2 25.9 pg > > MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9 > > g/dL > > RDW 23.6 H 13.6 21.7 % > > %RETIC 0.2 > > % > > RETIC 8.7 L 10.0 > > 110.0 K/?L > > > > WBC * 2.39 5.05 16.76 K/?L > > %NEU * 32.6 > > % > > %LYM * 36.8 > > % > > %MONO * 28.5 > > % > > %EOS * 0.4 > > % > > %BASO * 1.7 > > % > > NEU --.-- 2.95 11.64 K/?L > > BAND * Suspected > > LYM * 0.88 1.05 5.10 K/?L > > MONO * 0.68 0.16 > > 1.12<x-apple-data-detectors://9> K/?L > > EOS * 0.01 0.06 1.23 K/?L > > BASO * 0.04 0.00 0.10 K/?L > > nRBC * Suspected > > PLT * 182 148 484 K/?L > > MPV 17.6 H 8.7 13.2 fL > > PDW --.-- 9.1 19.4 > > fL > > PCT 0.32 0.14 0.46 % > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20190725/c8de4846/attachment.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2 > > *************************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >
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