Hi, Thilo is calling Kieran, myself and presumably Derek and JB trolls.
This seems to be a pattern against anyone who disagrees with him. Le 22 avril 2024 04:25:20 GMT+08:00, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> a écrit : >Hi, > >On 21.04.24 10:47, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have been dragged privately into this issue so for the sake of >> transparency, I will just sum up my side here. >> >> >> Le 17 avril 2024 07:21:18 GMT+08:00, Devin Heitmueller >> <devin.heitmuel...@ltnglobal.com> a écrit : >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I wasn't looking to start trouble, but I didn't see any discussion of >>> this on the mailing list so wanted to bring it to the developer >>> community's attention. >>> >>> I attended the NAB conference and went by the "ffmpeg" booth on >>> Sunday. What I found was a single table with the official ffmpeg >>> banner hanging right next to a banner for the GPAC project, and two >>> salespeople from GPAC handing out marketing literature and trying to >>> educate me on why I should use their framework for my next project. >> >> Thilo did announce that some unidentified party would be payind for FFmpeg >> to hold a booth (this should be visible in the archives). Kieran raised >> legitimate if not concerning questions based on his prior experience at NAB. >I announced that "We reiceived an anonymous corporate sponsorship for the >booth, so there are no costs for the FFmpeg project to it (and no obligations, >of course)." > >Kieran's reaction was raising concerns that he feels donors wouldn't want to >see their SPI money spend on NAB [1][2] - ignoring that I'd just announced >that there will be no donor's SPI money needed as there are no costs for >FFmpeg. > >Kieran's reaction further was claiming that no plan has been provided who will >actually be present on the booth [1][2] - ignoring that I'd just announced >that "Any FFmpeg developer is welcome to join in and man the booth with me". > > >> Thilo did not answer, which is inexcusable, especially considering that >> there were several times that the questions were reiterated. >Ignoring what has been said, making statements raising the impression that >something contradictory would be the truth is trolling me and deceiving the >other readers. No reason at all to feed the trolls - no matter how often the >trolling is repeated. > > >> Thilo privately called Kieran a "troll" as the lame pretext for not >> answering the question (I can copy the CC privately if proof of this is >> needed). > >And I just did publicly, for what I believe his reaction in the FFmpeg at NAB >2024 thread was and everyone can read to get their own impression in the >archives. You think it's a lame pretext? The "questions" had been answered >even before they were "raised" by Kieran. > > >> In light of this, it seemed obvious that the FFmpeg booth would be a >> disaster, pretty much how Kieran had predicted. > >In the light of... the costs being covered and me + any other volunteer >manning the booth as announced or in the light of... the deceiving 'ignorance' >in Kieran's statements? >_Even if_ the coverage of the complete funding and/or manning the booth would >have been unanswered, how would that have 'obviusly' concluded the booth to >become a disaster? >That conclusion itself appears not comprehensible. > > >> So there you have it. On the bright side, FFmpeg was not footing the bill. > >I fear FFmpeg has to pay quite a high bill for all the trolling bullshit going >on about this NAB presence alone. > > >> I think everybody can make their own conclusions without me speculating or >> opiniating further, so I will leave it at that. > >I very much hope everyone is making up their own opinion. >Even you, who I think is not stupid, obviously was too easily made to takeover >the 'payment is unclear', 'manning is unclear', 'will become a desaster' >narrative here. > > >>> I'm not saying that GPAC shouldn't be able to have a table at the >>> conference, but it feels pretty misleading to have an "ffmpeg" booth >>> listed in the conference materials, with a table prominently >>> displaying the ffmpeg logo, with zero people from ffmpeg and people >>> pushing users to use an alternative framework that some might actually >>> considered to be a competitor to ffmpeg. >> >> Agreed. Thanks for your testimony. >And here you are demonstrating again that it appears to be so much beloved >behavior in our community to hop on the troll train and willingly ignore >previous statement for the sake to troll on. >You love to ignore what I relied to Devin's mail where to the most important >part, Devin's impression could be reasonably explained/voided to have been a >wrong impression (misleading ffmpeg booth without any people from ffmpeg) that >to my understanding after talking to him, doesn't bother him anymore. > >You can think about GPAC what you want and if it is a good idea to share a >booth with them. >My thoughts about it is that we should absorb them into FFmpeg instead of >splitting resources and efforts. They know that and yet want to share a booth >with us. >But since they are doing things like DRM we reject doing at FFmpeg, GPAC >currently is a valid downstream project adding 'value' of some kind to their >users beyond what FFmpeg can provide. >Not surprising, since we are a library and literally every user will add some >value on top, make their own project/product out of it and could be considered >a 'competitor' in that sense. > >IMHO, you just added quite some trollish behavior in your own response to the >NAB discussion instead of productive, fruitful or even useful discussion, >hurting FFmpeg and yourself. > >-Thilo > > >[1] https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/317199.html >[2] https://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2023-November/317214.html > >_______________________________________________ >ffmpeg-devel mailing list >ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org >https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > >To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email >ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
