On Sat, 2002-06-01 at 15:10, "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On 1 Jun 2002, at 14:25, Bill and/or Chris wrote:
> 
> > Win4Lin supports any Windows application, because you are actually
> > running Windows in a virtual console, kind of like SoftWindows for the
> > Mac.  However, I have heard (this may be out of date) that Win4Lin
> > doesn't support DirectX.
> 
> Anything in your version of Windows that depends on direct hardware 
> access of any kind will not work when running under Linux, unless the 
> emulator has trapped for all those calls and knows how it should handle 
> them. Not even all of MS Office works in these environments (Access 
> doesn't work, for instance).
> 

The same could be said about Windows NT/2K/XP.  None of them allow
direct hardware access, either.  Yet Finale works fine on those
operating systems.

> > I have been able to get Finale running using Wine, though.  The only
> > thing is that the correct fonts don't display.
> 
> There are plenty of programs that do not run successfully on the Windows 
> emulators (using the term loosely), and anything that depends on real-
> time data (such as MIDI support in Finale) will likely never run very 
> well with that many extra layers involved.
> 

Having not even gotten to that point, I'm not concerned with the MIDI
capabilities of Finale under Wine.  I can always just save as a MIDI
file, then play the file with KMidi, if need be.

> > What I would like to see is a port of Finale over to Linux/BSD.  The
> > port shouldn't be too hard, as the source code is open.  As soon as Coda
> > ports Finale to Linux, I will once again start buying the upgrades. 
> > Maybe they could write a command-line utility that would be compatible
> > with MacOSX, Linux and BSD, kind of like what Lilypond and Mup have
> > done.  Then, they could either write the GUI wrapper themselves, or
> > leave it to the open source community to write.
> 
> I don't think a Linux port of Finale is likely, unless Coda is careful 
> when they port for OS X to plan ahead for porting to plain-vanilla 
> Darwin, which would then make it easier to port to another UNIX, such as 
> Linux. But the big problem here is that the core OS itself has not all 
> that much to do with most of the problems Coda faces in creating Finale, 
> which is mostly all about user interface. Code would need to re-write in 
> a fashion that would work with multiple window managers, Aqua in the case 
> of OS X, who-knows-what in the case of an Intel port of Darwin, and one 
> of KDE or Gnome for Linux. Each of those is almost as much of a challenge 
> as creating a version for Windows and Mac that maintains feature parity 
> and interface consistency. You're basically assuming that Code would take 
> on the expense of supporting 2 or 3 additional platforms in addition to 
> the two they struggle so mightily (and incredibly successfully, I might 
> add) to support right now.
> 

That's why I suggested a command-line program like Lilypond or Mup.  No
porting problems there, just recompile on a different machine.

> 
> It would be awfully nice if Coda could create a Linux version, but I just 
> don't think they are big enough. There's also the whole Open Source issue 
> to consider, as they would be straitjacketed into making Finale Open 
> Source if they used any Open Source components in building LinFin (and 
> it's almost impossible to not do so, as it would mean completely re-
> inventing the wheel for almost everything).
> 

Hogwash.  That is pure MS FUD.  There are plenty of closed-source
applications for Linux.  Three of them being Opera, Netscape and
StarOffice.

> I'm sure Coda in principle would love to port to Linux, but as a business 
> proposition, I doubt it will happen until Linux has a substantially 
> larger market share on the desktop, and especially among those in the 
> music business. Linux is certainly taking over high-end video and digital 
> effects these days, but that's a long way from a consumer product.
> 

Well, since Hollywood is using Linux now, can the music industry be too
far behind?

--Bill

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