At 7:49 PM -0400 9/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 26 Sep 2002 at 19:16, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
>
>  > At 1:23 PM -0400 9/26/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
>  > >I don't see why. When would anyone want hidden or blank notation to
>>  >effect spacing? I don't even see the utility in having it as an
>>  >*option*, let alone having this useless option turned on by default.
>>
>>  One might want it to affect spacing (one can only effect spacing by
>>  pressing top-row 4 in Mass Mover) if one has chord symbols or other
>>  note-attached items attached to the invisible entries.
>
>Well, in that case, the expressions are not invisible, are they? So,
>they should have an effect on spacing.


I usually turn OFF accounting for collisions between expresions of 
all sorts, because of the way it destroys proper spacing when the 
expression is longer than a couple of characters. Making a measure 
containing a whole note space as if it contained two half notes is a 
convenient way to make chord symbols space right to my eye.


>To be honest, I've never been thrilled with the way expressions and
>articulations in the blank notation layer still show up. I just don't
>think that's right, and it means that I have to put the non-playback-
>effecting articulations in the displayed layer, and the playback-
>effecting articulations/expressions in the blank layer.


Then turn off letting expressions in blank notation appear. In the 
Staff Tool, select Define Staff Styles. A dialogue box opens. In the 
top bar, select the kind of Blank Notation you want to edit. Below 
that you see a box checked called Alternate Notation. Just under that 
there is a button called Select. Click it. When this box opens, you 
see a check box called "Show Items Attached to Notes" and it is 
probably checked. Uncheck it, OK your way out of the dialogue boxes, 
and Bob's your uncle. Repeat for any other kind of staff style you 
don't want expressions to appear in. Need I add that you should 
change this in your Default File?

If you hide things using the "O" key in Speedy Entry, then lyrics 
still show up, but other expressions (articulations, note-attached 
expressions) get hidden, with no way that I know of to force them to 
appear.


>That means that often your articulations don't space themselves
>correctly, even when you flip the stems in the invisible layer, and
>you end up having to place them manually, one at a time. If the
>articulations in the playback layer (i.e., invisible) were also
>invisible, this simply wouldn't be an issue -- you'd put the
>articulations in both layers (in the visible for display, in the
>invisible to fix the playback).


I hope my advice has fixed this problem for you.

Christopher
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