From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>But that is such a limited view of the world of commercial music!

hm... yes i see your point re touring bands etc., but the notation is very basic in 
the majority of the cases, in some cases anachronistic and diluted reproductions of 
traditional music, and thus, not terribly significant to the development of notational 
traditions, using the notational symbols in many cases exactly as they were used 120 
years ago.   i am not arguing that the meanings implicit in tonal music notation are 
no longer relevant today, but that they can no longer be taken for granted as the 
single standard; each notational symbol or practice needs to be considered from a 
contemporary perspective, and one finds, in some cases, that some of these have become 
obsolete or at the very least need to be reconsidered or altered.

>if you will accept the definition that "concert" music
>is music that is NOT improvised by musically illiterate singers or players.

!? i don't accept the reductionist elitist view that concert music is limited to 
non-improvised music.

>Hildegard of Bingen and the Trobadors and Trouveres used the
>notation developed for the chant of the church.  They had no choice;
>it was the only notation available to them!

and, as i point out re pop musicians, their needs are met with this notation; the pop 
musicians today or of the past do not contribute to the maintenance or development of 
notation to a significant degree.

>It is the 20th century
>experimentalists who have more or less abandoned--for very good reasons, of
>course--that traditional practice, and it is the 20th and 21st century
>commercial musicians who have retained it.

hein?  who said anything about abandoning?  and tradition = change (*).  who are the 
experimentalists by the way?   all of the composers i mentioned in a previous post 
employ traditional notation, in some cases with alterations/developments according to 
the musical style and needs, and were all to a greater or lesser degree continuations 
of the tradition [of western european "art" music].

(*)  to which Christopher BJ Smith seems to agree:
>In my studies of folk music, I discovered that this effect actually
>makes better music (by folk standards) as the tune is passed down.

jef

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