At 9:35 PM 03/10/03, Bruce K H Kau wrote:

>Also, is there a "real" glottal stop mark (that's the Hawaiian uses the
>upside-down comma for - I think the English term is hamza, which is
>apparently borrowed from the Arabic)?

The hamza goes the other direction. If you want the one shaped like a small
C, that's the ayn.  Unicode characters 02BE and 02BF are defined as
"modifier letter right half ring" and "modifier left half ring"
respectively. These are the ones used in Arabic.

Unicode 02C0 is defined as "modifier letter glottal stop". I'm not sure
what that one looks like. I wouldn't be surprised if it's identical to the
half ring in most fonts.

mdl


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