Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

[Tim Thompson]

In my own practice, I stop the line short of the accidental, because it 
works, and is clean (in my opinion), but my opinion may not be that of 
a publisher such as Boosey and Hawkes--and obviously, Bartok had a 
great deal of influence in the final result.  Music typesetting has 
always been evolving, and continues to.  I think one would have to look 
at Bartok's careful notations and ask if there is a reason not to 
follow his precedent, or is there another precedent that trumps it.  In 
the end, when we self-publish, the call is our own...

Tim

On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 03:03  PM, Fiskum, Steve wrote:

Hello Robert,

I was just trying to find out the advantage of this practice and not 
start a feud. Sorry if I offended you.

I would like to hear what people have to say about this practice. 
David Horne gave his opinion...what do other people think?

And also:
What is the advantage of this practice to the end user? Is there no 
advantage but just "house style?"

Thank you,
Steve Fiskum
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From:   Robert Patterson Finale
Sent:   Monday, September 29, 2003 12:42 PM
First of all, check out the examples I cited before you knock it. 
(Bartok's 3rd Quartet is chock full of nearly every situation you can 
imagine.) Just because the lines pierce the noteheads does not mean 
they obscure the accis.

Secondly, I find (for myself) that my intuitive sense of what ought 
to be right has often led me astray. Therefore, if I can find 
authoritative examples from standard rep. (as I think the Bartoks 
clearly are), I imitate those examples, unless I have a specific and 
compelling reason not to. (If a certain example were hard to do in 
Finale, that would be neither a specific nor a compelling reason not 
to do it. But I hope this audience would offer little disagreement on 
that point.)

Ymmv.

�ric Dussault wrote:
Le 29/09/03 12:04, "Fiskum, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit:


What is the advantage of this to the end user? Why muddy an 
accidental with a
line when placing the line before the accidental gets the point 
accross and
(IMHO) retains a clean page? I can see where this would just 
clutter the page
and make it more difficult for the conductor or player to decifer.

my 2 cents,

Steve Fiskum


With all my respect to Robert, I must agree with Steve. Some may 
not...

�ric Dussault

Original post:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:29:38 +0000, "Robert Patterson Finale"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should*
avoid accis. In my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses 
always
pierce the noteheads, acci or no. I have actually added extensions to 
my
custom lines to force them to do this, accis be damned.


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