On 16 Mar 2004 at 15:09, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Mar 16, 2004, at 1:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > Well, don't hesitate to tell us, as I may be ignoring something > > obvious. What I've been doing is spacing with with time-signature- > > based spacing, then adding the handles necessary to manually space. > > It's not horribly difficult, but the big problem is that once you've > > done that, it's hard to get systems spaced naturally again. > > I was thinking of solutions based on switching layers, which I think > you already rejected. For example, under layer options you can turn > off spacing for the entire layer throughout the piece. If you always > put your invisible stuff in that layer, it could work. But then > you've got whatever complications arise from changing layers > (playback, etc).
Well, the problem is that I'm working on a whole group of pieces, created over the time I've been using Finale, which goes back to 1991. I've never gone back and tried to completely update everything, but one thing I did do was to change from my original method for realizing ornaments, which was closer to Tobias's plug-in's methods (i.e., setting the visible notes in layer 1 to 0 velocity, then putting the ornament realization in a layer that didn't display -- I started out by putting them on a completely different *staff*, which was *very* hard to manage), but then changed over to using blank notation on layer 1. I don't like either hidden notes or notes with 0 velocity, since in the first case (in my version of Finale), I can't see the notes in the Speedy frame, and in the second, I can't tell by looking at them that they are 0 velocity. > I still think there's something I'm forgetting. When you run TG > tremolos on a bar and it creates invisible playback notes in layer 4, > those notes don't affect spacing. Why not? What is TG changing that we > could change manually? There must be something. He's not using blank notation, but invisible notes. If I were doing it that way, it would work OK, but it doesn't. I know for a fact that my methods *used* to work properly as I keep coming to older files that were finished for printing where the spacing is absolutely correct on blank notation measures, and I know that I didn't futz with them manually (I would have remembered that!). This is a problem that I first encountered in WinFin2K3, because it occurs even in files that began life in that version of Finale. The puzzling part for me is that others are reporting that they can't replicated it. Here's how to get it to happen: - In layer 1, in 4/4, enter 2 quarters and one half note. - Put a trill articulation on the half note. - Move the notation from layer 1 to layer 4. - In layer 1, enter the same two quarters and the 16ths and 32nds necessary to realize the trill. - From staff styles, apply blank notation to the first layer. - In the instrument list, set layer 4 to no instrument at all. - Check playback (it should be OK). - Now, space the measure, and you'll see that it is spaced as though the notes in layer 1 are visible. My guess is that this is something that went wrong around the time blank notation was introduced, and I discovered it only with WinFin2K3 because that was the first version I used since it was introduced. -- David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
