Wow, Mark. Thanks for such a detailed answer. I REALLY appreciate it.
Jane
On Sep 4, 2004, at 9:49 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Sep 4, 2004, at 6:19 PM, Jane Frasier wrote:
Thanks for the ideas. The first suggestion about music spacing options didn't make any difference.
I tried a few things with the tie options but didn't get any better results. Here are links to a couple examples. If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it.
http://janefrasier.com/misc/example1.pdf and http://janefrasier.com/misc/example2.pdf.
Two issues here.
To a certain extent, when you've got clustery chords like that you're just going to have to do some manual adjustment. Finale can only work from some sort of algorithm, and when your chords are like that, even if you were hand drawing the ties you'd have to use contextual judgment. Still, you can get pretty close. If you were to pick Stem Reversal with Opposing Seconds off, that would solve all the tie directions in the current examples, but you might not like the choices elsewhere. Flipping a tie up or down is an easy tweak, so I figure it's best to pick the global rules that best reflect your general style philosophy and then flip individually as needed for unusual chords.
Your other problem is that your Tie Placement values are wanky. It looks like you've got about 12 evpus for the H numbers for Inner and Stem ties, which is way too much. (Is that really what Finale ships as a default??) I think zero looks just fine.) The result is too much space between the ties and the note, and thus not enough room left for the tie without either scrunching it up or spacing the chords too wide. Also, where the left end of the tie is stemside and the right end is over the note (like the top tie in all four measures of your example), the tie looks off-centered.
So here's what you need to do: Under Tie Options > Tie Placement, change both the H numbers to zero. Do this for all four of these selections: Over/Inner, Under/Inner, Over/Outer/Stem, and Under/Outer/Stem. (Over/Outer/Note and Under/Outer/Note seem to be OK as is.)
That, plus flipping ties up or down as needed, should solve most of your problems. If the middle tie in the first measure is still too squeezed, go back to Music Spacing Options and increase the value for Minimum Distance Between Notes With Ties, and respace the measure.
If you're still unhappy with the right endpoint of the tie on the F in measure 2 or the D's in measures 3 and 4, you could uncheck Shift for Seconds for the two Inner settings. That's a quick and easy way to avoid collisions in situations like this if you don't want to have to mess with them individually, but it will make the tie shorter than necessary in many other cases (eg, on the E in your measure 2). That's a style issue. I prefer to leave Shift for Seconds on and then adjust the endpoint on occasions where it's needed, but if you've got a piece with a whole lot of ties on chords with seconds maybe it's worth turning it off globally and then adjusting the other way instead.
I think that should cover all your complaints, but without seeing all your settings, I can't really tell what else might come up for you.
In any case, once you've figured out the settings you like, be sure to make the changes to whatever document you're using for a template; otherwise, you'll have to do it all over again for each new document.
mdl
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