On 11 Jan 2005 at 1:01, Owain Sutton wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > On 11 Jan 2005 at 0:15, Owain Sutton wrote: > > > >>David W. Fenton wrote: > >> > >>>On 10 Jan 2005 at 23:43, Owain Sutton wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>David W. Fenton wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Also, keep in mind that this only happens once with each > >>>>>correspondent -- once you've been whitelisted, it's just like > >>>>>normal, old-fashioned email correspondence. > >>>> > >>>>You mean, just like if they hadn't bothered to challenge me in the > >>>>first place? > >>> > >>>No, if I didn't challenge you, it would mean you hadn't attempted > >>>to email me. > >> > >>Unless a virus-infected computer (or spammer) was using my > >>address... > > > > > > In that case, you have ever reason to ignore the challenge. > > So I should be happy to receive and ignore a challenge from a spammer, > and also be happy to have to respond to a challenge which stops > spam....hmmm.....
You seem to think there's some kind of contradiction there. > >>>I do *not* understand the hostility to the system itself -- it > >>>looks like your garden-variety Luddite response to me. > >> > >>I'm not a luddite at all, I don't think....I just don't want to use > >>email in the way that I'd have to drive if there was a guy carrying > >>a red flag in front of me. > > > > If the red flag guy is standing between you and the abyss, wouldn't > > that be preferable? In terms of email, that's what we're facing: a > > complete breakdown of the existing system to a state of unusability > > (when you have to review 200 emails a day classified as spam to make > > sure none are false positives, you might as well give up, since > > you'll inevitably make many mistakes, missing at least half the > > false positives, because there's just no way one can clearly > > evaluate 200 messages in the spam folder). > > > > The red flag is there to keep us from plunging over that abyss. > > You're verging on conspiracy-nut territory here. It simply sounds > like your ISP is doing a very bad job at filtering spam. My ISP does *not* filter spam. It offers SpamAssassin to end users who want to use it, but it does no filtering itself. I understand why -- they don't want to be blamed for false positives. I much prefer to control my spam filtering myself, so would not be pleased by an ISP that filtered spam if those filters were not configurable by me. If you aren't getting 200 spam messages a day, then you're really not one of the people who would understand the extent of the problem. Of course, your ISP may very well be discarding 200 spam messages a day, of which who knows how many are actually legitimate messages that you really would like to receive. If that's the case, then email is already irretrievably broken for you. I certainly prefer to get all my email and plow through it than have someone prefilter it. In the former case, any missed messages are my own responsibility, and can always be recovered. -- David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
