Thank you Andrew for that insight into printing relationship with page
layout.

I had never understood why page orientation in Finale is not transferred to
printer. That is, printer defaults to portrait even if Finale is to
Landscape. Now I understand the logic!

Related question- I do a lot of A5 printing (Marching band, carol books,
hymn tunes etc) and, unless I feed paper twice, I waste half an A4 sheet on
each print. 
I use a very basic, (but great result) home office printer, one tray (A4)  
FS3500 Kyocera Laser-. Can I ask it to print two A5 (2 up?)on each sheet?

If so- how?

Cheers

Keith in Hot OZ

Keith Helgesen.
Director of Music, Canberra City Band.
Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587
Private Mob 0417-042171

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Andrew Stiller
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2005 7:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Finale] Page Margins printing question

> I'm using Finale Mac 2004, and there's something I've never been able 
> to =
>     figure out, over several generations of use. When I set the page 
> margins
> =
>     in a typical piece of software, nothing gets printed by the 
> software =
>     outside of those margins. With Finale, the left page margin in 
> page =
>     layout runs just along the left side of any system that touches 
> the =
>     margin, but to the right of any piano braces. I can set the page 
> margin,
> =
>     but  (e.g.) names of instruments or piano braces might print, even 
> if =
>     they are outside of the page margin.
>     Can anyone describe the relationship in Finale between the page 
> margins
> =
>     set in the page layout tool, and the page margins set in page 
> setup? =
>     Many thanks in advance.
>     Geoff Whittall

The page margin is not a printing margin, but a layout margin, 
defining, as you have observed, the default l/r/top/bottom positions of 
the systems. The printing margin is related to Finale's page *size* 
settings, not the page *margin.*

On a Mac, the printing margin is determined partly by Page Setup and 
partly by whatever printer you have. If you select, e.g., "US Letter 
(small)"  in Page Setup/Page Size, your printer will not print anything 
less than 1/2" from the edge of the paper, regardless of what you've 
done in Finale's layout window.

Generally, you want the page size in Page Setup to be the same as the 
page size in the Finale layout window, but there are times when it is 
useful to have them different. For example, if you want to print an 
extracted part as folded double sheets, you should set the Finale page 
size to US Letter (or A4), portrait orientation, but set the Page 
Setup/Page Size to Tabloid/Ledger/11X17 (or A3), landscape orientation, 
and choose "2-up" when printing. This will result in two Finale pages 
being printed side-by-side on each large sheet of paper.

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Not to confuse things, but I feel the need to comment on Finale's 
*system* margins. As noted above, the default l/r position of systems 
is defined by the page margins. The l/r system margins should normally 
be set at zero, and changed only for individual systems (such as the 
indented system at the beginning of a mvt.) that do not for whatever 
reason follow the default.

 From some of the files that are sent me, I realize that many users 
don't  understand this, and set the page margin where the brackets or 
staff names go, but this just creates unnecessary layout difficulties.

Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/

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