Sure, Dennis -- I don't mind the pounding!  Because -- are you ready? --
 
Nearly every single concert of the MSO <has> included world premieres of brand-new, never-before-heard-anywhere music.   Sorry I didn't mention that in my previous post, but that discussion was really about the merit of live vs. Memorex, and only tangentially about repertoire. 
 
Not of works by Adams, (either one) or Torke or Wuorinen or Tower or Higdon (whose music I really believe in, BTW) or anyone else whose work we all (should) know, but instead works by <local> composers!!   In fact, this season's opener concert of the MSO was completely all new music in premiere.  I applaud the concert Troy Peters and the Vermont Youth Orchestra presented at Carnegie Hall and recall reading about it at the time -- because it's precisely what I believe in, too!   Fortunately, New York has an audience (and I hate to generalize, but can you deny:) which is considerably hipper to new music experiences than might be found out in the sticks where some of us live.   I have a local community group AND a local audience now willing to do such a thing right where they live!   In Ruralia Americana!   My firm belief in the necessity of such programming right here at home rests on several factors: first, I believe wholeheartedly in music of today and not <just> of that of the past.   Contemporary music which I find to be worthy of airing and disseminating to others is of great importance to me.   But I have to temper that belief with other factors such as the abilities of my various players, the cost of rentals and royalties on a shoestring budget -- and as well my audience.  And I'm fortunate to have some excellent, experienced and talented composers who have retired to this area (and of course, there's always me, too!) and who not only play with the orchestra but write for it as well on occasion when I ask.   Our very next concert will showcase virtuoso trombonist (and old friend of mine) Tom Ashworth, who's flying out here to play with us completely gratis -- because he believes in what we're doing and wants to help.   And so I've composed a t'bone concerto for him; that work will world-premiere -- side by side with a performance of the Wagenseil concerto; is there no value therefore, Dennis, in demonstrating trombone technique and style from the late Baroque to today??   And yeah, I'm the first to admit that I'm no Adams (either one) but then: are you? 
 
And let's not be so quick to dismiss the work of composers from the past and/or the value of presenting their music: my old pal Groucho Marx said it best: 'there's no such thing as an old joke if you've never heard it before.'    As I wrote previously, this is an audience in the creation.   Many of my players (!) thanked me for the experience of playing the Dvorak 8th, as many of them had not previously been exposed to that warhorse (to me) -- even as mere listener -- previous to my programming it.   Gotta crawl first.   Throw 'em some Stockhausen at the first concert and there won't <be> a second concert....or an orchestra to play it.   
 
You may not care about whether or not my audience can tell the difference between Vivaldi and Mozart, but again: the more you know, the more you know....and I am damned fulfilled by the fact that our audience WANTS to know.  Please do not take this as a pompous statement, but I do feel a sense of satisfaction for another reason: it's a tad bit easier to present a new ensemble to an extant audience than it is to create both an ensemble and an audience when <neither> previously existed.
 
Best to All,
 
Les
       
Les Marsden
Founding Music Director and Conductor,
The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Music and Mariposa?  Ahhhhh, Paradise!!!
 
 
 
Responding to Dennis' post of below; references to other posters excised for clarity of my specific rejoinder:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff

Thanks to everyone for this conversation. It's very revealing and helpful.

(snip)

Les Marsden brought the classics to the countryside, but where were the new
pieces on his list?  He named Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, Vivaldi, and
Dvorak. I do not care if the audience can't tell Vivaldi from Mozart, but I
do care if the audience can John Adams from John Luther Adams. If one can't
bring new music to new audiences *first* -- especially to audiences that
don't have any expectations to start with! -- then where does that leave
the culture? (Maybe Les did focus on newly composed material, but he didn't
mention it, so I'll pound on him a little to make my point. I'm sure he
won't mind.)
(snip)

That's an argument from another time, and not mine. I'm happy to have an
audience or performer feel any way they want to. It's just not the music
that's actually doing that, or there would be no need, as Les's post makes
makes abundantly clear, to educate them in the first place. We are
acculturated to what musical techniques or styles or gestures do to us --
and a really good virtual orchestra can do the same emotional thing (and
will only get better at it over the next few years).

(snip)
 
To go back to Les again, why did he choose
the same names of Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, Vivaldi, and Dvorak? The
audience could still have an exciting, immersive, subjective, emotional
experience with newer creations rather than being doomed to relive the past
like some exterminating angel had come to visit the concert hall.
 
(snip)

Here's an example of the dilemma of a wonderful performance. I wrote a
25-minute piano piece on commission. The player is extraordinarily gifted
in both musicality and technique, as well as analysis. This was a tough
piece, too. He worked very hard on it, and gave it quite a few
performances, one of which actually converted this state's major classical
music critic into a committed new music lover. (This critic will no longer
miss a concert that has a premiere -- unless there are *two* premieres that
night!) The audience jumped to its feet and cheered. Other performers heard
the piece. Those hearings, together with collaborative promotional work by
a composers group, got our rural state to be one of the places where new
music is heard on nearly every program of every ensemble. Players greet it
with enthusiasm. The Vermont Youth Orchestra under composer-conductor Troy
Peters dared to perform an all-new, all-Vermont music program at Carnegie
Hall to considerable acclaim (yeah, we do have a high proportion of
composers in this state, and Les, we have running water, too!).

Dennis


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