David W. Fenton wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 at 15:06, Ken Moore wrote:


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owainsutton.co.uk writes:


And Schoenberg *didn't* transform the Wagnerian influence out of
recognition?

If you follow his development you can see the transformation. If you start with a serial work, it is easy to miss the connection. . . .


For me, the immediate predecessor always seemed to me to be to *Brahms*, not Wagner. Verkl�rte Nacht seems to me to follow straight on from late Brahms, and Schoenberg's extensions to tonality then follow from that point, into 12-tone tonality.


A very interesting point. One that I'm going to do a bit of thinking (and listening!) about....
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