dhbailey wrote:
Carl Dershem wrote:
But you said "as a whole" not "in my sphere of contact" which is very different.dhbailey wrote:
Carl Dershem wrote:
True enough. But if you look at trombonists as a whole, the vast majority *are* jazz/commercial players, and the extraordinary majority of them either come from jazz band/concert band settings (where bass and treble clef are in extreme majority) or from similar settings.
Actually, if we're looking at trombonists as a whole, the largest majority of trombonists are amateurs who play everything from jazz and dance band to concert band, community orchestra and brass ensemble, and ethnic music such as Klezmer or German Band music.
Far more amateurs than professionals, many of whom are quite comfortable with tenor clef, but the vast majority of them are only comfortable in bass clef.
Not in my experience, but then, we obviously come from far different places and backgrounds.
I'm not just referring to my place and background, either. Look around your city and you'll find far more amateur trombonists than professional trombonists.
Yup. And I know a lot of them, both as a player and as a teacher. And many have never *heard* of tenor and alto clefs, much less played them.
There are probably a few hundred trombone players here (past high school band, but still playing), and I've met and/or played with 150-200 of them in the past 35 years. Even so, other than the bare handful (maybe a couple of dozen) who either play the symphony/ballet/opera circuit or aspire to it (city of about 7 million, with only a 30-40 players of that type), most neither know nor care about that kind of playing, or the techniqes involved. Even the players at the universities and colleges tend to put it behind them once out of school, unless they want to play in the abovementioned circuit, and have good enough connections to think they have a chance. The rest of them/us work jazz/commercial/rock/concert band/pit gigs, and as I said, I've never run across anything but bass and treble clefs in 20 years as a trombonist, and 35 as a professional musician. And that includes 5 years in LA doing commercials and jingles and that kind of work.
Your experience may be different. I've only been doing this a while, and in a limited venue (NOT!!) - never been to Europe, never spent time on the east coast other than navy band time, so I can't speak of that. But in the here and now (California, 1970 - present) that is my experience.
cd
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