On 18 Apr 2005 at 17:53, dhbailey wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > > On 18 Apr 2005 at 5:31, dhbailey wrote: > > > >>David W. Fenton wrote: > >> > >>>Can anyone give me advice on exactly why tempo tool playback might > >>>not work in a body of files that were created from the same > >>>template (an old file, probably stemming all the way back to WinFin > >>>2.01, converted to 3.52 then to 97 then to 2K3)? I've already > >>>imported standard WinFin2K3 document settings. > >>> > >>>I've got other files that I *thought* were from the same template > >>>where my tempo tool changes are honored, and in comparing various > >>>settings between the files where it works and the files where it > >>>doesn't, I simply can't see one darned thing that is different. > >>> > >>>Any ideas why it wouldn't work when I've inserted the necessary > >>>"play tempo tool changes" expression in the beginning of the piece? > >> > >>[snip] > >> > >>Have you entered any expressions which have been defined for > >>playback? > > > > > > I don't understand the question. > > Expressions, such as Allegro, Andante, which have tempo defined in the > Playback tab of the dialog, seem to override tempo tool settings.
If you mean "override" in the sense that they change the tempo where they are designated to take effect (either note-attached on the beginning of the individual note, or measure-attached, at the location you specify), yes, of course. But they don't override tempos tool alterations that occur literally 100s of measures after the tempo expressions. In the present piece, there is one tempo expression, at the very head of the movement, which sets the tempo that remains in effect until either another tempo expression (of which there are none) or until a tempo tool alteration (of which there are several in the course of a few measures). These latter are not happening. (actually, by this point, I've given up and replaced them with a series of non-printing tempo expressions; pain in the ass, but the result works properly, unlike the tempo tool) > >>I think that these override any tempo tool data, so if you have > >>inadvertently copied one and edited it for ease of having the same > >>appearance but forgotten to change the expression's playback > >>definition, perhaps that is making the difference. > >> > >>I often get caught unaware by that behavior. > > > > I don't understand what you're getting at. > > If I like the appearance of an existing expression, I often simply > duplicate it and then edit the text to be what I want so I don't have > to fuss around selecting the font and size all over again just so it > will match. If the expression I duplicated had playback defined I > need to set that to NONE or I get surprised at an unexpected playback > effect. > > I was just thinking that perhaps you had done such a thing, and maybe > your expression was simply informative, such as "a due" which you > might have copied from an existing expression, for instance "Allegro," > and then edited the copy. You might not have entered any tempo > expressions, but if you didn't set the playback for your "a due" > edited from a copy of "Allegro," then the playback would still be set, > and would override the tempo tool settings. For that to happen, the offending expression would have to be interspersed among the multiple tempo alterations over the course of 3 measures (there are 6 distinct tempo changes). That's not the case. I do understand now, but I still don't get how this could be causing tempo tool changes not to work. It could certainly introduced *addition* tempo changes, or give you an a tempo where you didn't intend (assuming you duplicated the main tempo for the movement), but it couldn't override tempo tool settings through a multi-measure passage that lacks any expressions at all. And this kind of thing doesn't happen to me much, because I'm working with templates that go back nearly 15 years. I long ago segregated out one tempo mark per file (and only one; I add an additional one if there's a change of tempo), and for expressions like "dolce" and so forth, long ago defined those in the different font, etc., that I use for non-tempo marks. Given that I'm using this kind of organized template, it's unlikely that what you suggested could happen. Sorry for being so dense, though -- what you suggest is very unlikely to happen to me, simply because of the way I have created my files. That's why I couldn't understand what you were suggesting. Of course, now that I've said that, I'm sure it will bite me in the ass! -- David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
