On 21 Dec 2005 at 17:32, John Howell wrote: > At 4:33 PM -0500 12/21/05, David W. Fenton wrote: > >On 21 Dec 2005 at 12:51, John Howell wrote: > > > >> (Another ornament > >> no longer used is the "pincée, a kind of vibrato > >> trill, which had its own sign.) > > > >I've never heard of pincé being considered a form of vibrato -- it's > >a form of ornament, similar to what we'd call an inverted mordant in > >Bach's keyboard music. > > As I understand it, on the viol it is a vibrato > action involving two fingers, one firmly behind > the fret, the other pressed tightly against it > and striking the string on or just above the > fret. . . .
That's not a pincé. I forget what it's called, though. It's certainly not a pincé, though. > . . . Thus it is both a kind of vibrato and a > kind of trill, and if short enough could be taken > as an inverted mordant. It has no analog in > keyboard music that I can think of. A pincé is something else entirely. The two-finger vibrato is something that I don't know that occurs in any other repertory. It has a very weird sound, but I love it -- it's quite useful expressively. > The analog in woodwind music, however, is the > flatement. It is different in that it lowers the > pitch while the pincé raises it, but both are > essentially trills on the same pitch and not > between two different pitches. "Pincé" is simply the wrong term. > What I discovered is that the pincé can easily be > duplicated on violin without the fret to work > across, making it a legitimate ornament for > baroque music although not for modern. I've never heard of it discussed for any instrument but solo viola da gamba, but, then again, that's the only stringed instrument I play. -- David W. Fenton http://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
