>OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you define
>music?

Pitch and rhythm.  Words are secondary.

Rap has rhythm.  End of story.

Phil Daley

Every rap song I have ever heard includes at least fragments of melody. In the overarching category of hip-hop (which I am interested to note has not been mentioned once in this thread), pitch dominates.

Have you ever actually *listened* to any of this stuff?

Besides, by your definition many percussion ensemble works (notably _Ionisation_) are not music--unless you count the piano tone-clusters at the end as pitch. My own _A Descent into the Maelstrom_ contains no definite pitches. Is it not music? If not, what is it? Or are you saying it isn't even art?

The same questions apply to your dismissal of rap. If it isn't music, then it must be poetry, right? Or are you saying it isn't even art? If so, what's your definition of art?

Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/

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