On 20 Aug 2006 at 13:20, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

> On 20.08.2006 dc wrote:
> > Unless the 32nds begin on the beat, of course, which would seem the
> > most likely solution, though you seem to rule it out. Why?
> 
> Well, they don't line up at all. 

Vertical alignment means *nothing* in this time period. Remember how 
whole notes are placed in the middle of the measure, for example.

A score in this period and up through Haydn and Mozart is not a 
*score* in the sense that we think of it, but a guide for a copyist 
who is creating parts for performance. This, linear clarity is more 
important that vertical alignment, which is irrelevant to the 
creation of parts for performance.

> However, I have to agree with Dennis
> that this is a distinct possibility, often in these manuscripts things
> don't quite line up.

They hardly *ever* line up! And that means *nothing* either way.

> Personally I still think there is an element of ambiguity here, which
> may well have been desired by the composer, but it _looks_ as though
> the first three 32nds are indeed an "upbeat" to the next beat.

Look at the partial measure at the end of the system and things get 
even more complicated since the bottom parts have two beats of the 
12/8 measure and the recorder (I accidentally called it an oboe in 
another post) has what the upbeat interpretation would call a single 
beat. I'd definitely like to see the next system.

(of course, there's some inconsistency here in my claiming above that 
vertical alignment doesn't matter, but barlines and the breaking of 
partial measures across systems seems to me to always be vertically 
aligned; it's only within a measure that vertical alignment was not 
considered important)

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David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/

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