[Finale] MeasureNr:s in Linked Parts vs. Score

Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:09:07 -0700

Hello!
 
I need your wisdom.
 
I'm starting to adjust to the way Linked Parts behave. I have two (major) concearns though:
 
- I want measure numbers to have a completely different look/placing/size in my score than in the parts in the file. Any ideas on how to solve this in a good way (without saving the score in a separate file, destroying the very idea of linked parts) ? I think there should be options in Meas.Nr Attributes Dialog like "Show only in Score" vs "Show Only in Parts"
 
- When using the Special Part Extraction process (saving every part as a new file containing the whole score, with the selected part in page view) as saved massives of time because the system locks remained as I choosed the next part. I could use the layout of Trp. 1 and just "pour" Trp2 right into it. Is there any way now in linked parts to quickly copy a measure layout from one part to the next?
 
Also, my adjustments to measure withs doesn't stay in place as I move along to the next part? Is there a way to avoid this? This also apply to music-spacing. I always have to run music-spacing again to have the part look correct. (I have "Automatic Music Spacing" checked.
 
Thankful for any thoughts or help!
 
KARL-JOHAN ANKARBLOM
Sweden

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: FW: Cut and paste problem (Brian Williams)
2. Re: The Burn Again App (Dean M. Estabrook)
3. finale 2007 order/ship to canada (montr?al) (Jonathan Smith)
4. Re: finale 2007 order / ship to canada ( montr?al )
(Stan Lord)
5. Thumb Drive [was: The Burn Again App] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
6. Re: finale 2007 order / ship to canada ( montr?al ) (dc)
7. Split Stems for Clusters (Steve Currington)
8. Re: Lawrence (David H. Bailey)
9. Re: Split Stems for Clusters (A-NO-NE Music)
10. Re: Split Stems for Clusters (Dean M. Estabrook)
From: Brian Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:14:34 -0700
Subject: Re: [Finale] FW: Cut and paste problem

This has happened to me before when doing my part extraction using Special
Part Extraction method (a real time-saver; for those not hip to it, I'll be
happy to post the steps again).

Since I use the Staff tool to select the new staff and apply SPE, sometimes
I forget to switch to Mass Mover before hitting the 4 key, which results in
transposing the part to Tenor Sax instead of note spacing it. This still
happens to me every other week or so, and I usually catch it right after
I've done it.

Brian Williams

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:52:29 -0500
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Finale Digest, Vol 37, Issue 35
>
> On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> Sorry, a funny aside here about an imagined corruption problem I just
> had today.
>
> All my extracted parts for a project today were transposed up a major
> 9th, even the concert pitch ones. This was something I had never seen
> before. I checked the score, and EVERY staff was called Tenor
> Saxophone in Bb! I checked the staff attributes, everything was
> normal. I went back and tried to edit the staff name and
> transposition, but all was as it should be. When I tried to CHANGE a
> transposition, it entered properly, but the staff was still called
> Tenor Sax and was up a 9th! I was getting that crazy feeling in the
> pit of my stomach at the thought of starting all over again, then I
> noticed the pale blue lines over the staves when I selected the Staff
> Tool.
>
> Got it yet?
>
> It took me a minute still with my mouth hanging open and the light
> slowly going on. Yes, Martha, I had selected All, then hit 4, meaning
> to respace, just before extracting parts. The Staff Tool had been
> selected instead of the Mass Edit Tool, and I had just switched tools
> and hit 4 again, not thinking that I had even done anything in the
> Staff Tool by hitting 4. But 4 is the Staff Metatool for applying
> Tenor Sax transposition to a staff, and that is what I had done, to
> my entire score.
>
> It might have been tragic, but no, it was just stupid.
>
> Christopher
>
> (certain that his nightmares tonight will involve enormous saxophone
> choirs populated only with tenor saxes.)


From: "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC:
To: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:18:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [Finale] The Burn Again App

Ah, many thanks.

Dean

On Aug 21, 2006, at 7:51 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

> Dean M. Estabrook / 2006/08/21 / 10:40 PM wrote:
>
>> Uh, believe it or not, I don't know what a Thumb Drive is ... color
>> me ancient.
>
> It's a small USB storage device. USB1.0 is pretty slow, and will not
> stand music playback, tho.
>
>
> --
>
> - Hiro
>
> Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
>
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From: Jonathan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:22:38 +0200
Subject: [Finale] finale 2007 order/ship to canada (mont
réal)


Jonathan Smith écrit:

I didn't get any import duties this time with 2007 (USA-France).

Maybe I was lucky! But I noticed that MM had placed a sticker on the package that stated that tax had already been paid on the item etc.

I paid $138.90 in total.


Thanks for this information, Jonathan. But the difference might be that I need a large upgrade (from 2004), and that I think there is a limit under which you don't get stuck with importe taxes.

So I'm still wondering what I should do. I got my last one directly from MM, but between the shipping charges (almost 40$) and the taxes (another some 40$), I thought it might be cheaper to order from Europe this time. So I wrote three times already to the French dealer (since the end of June), and he still hasn't given me his price. Nor has he replied to my last email of over a week ago.

I wrote to all the other official dealers in the Euro zone, and am surprised by the differences in prices quoted, from 150 euros (Germany) to over 200 (Belgium and Portugal). In the best case, only 50$ more than MM's price in the US (150$). In the worst, almost 120$ more. Of course, not everyone answered. The Spanish are on vacaciones until the end of the month.

This doesn't sound like the best international sales policy to me. Shouldn't MM be a bit more picky on their choice of dealers et do away with those that don't even reply to customers? And shouldn't they have some kind of control over the prices if they have "official dealers"?

Dennis

I think the import limit is just pure chance and luck on the day. I've ordered CDs from Amazon USA value between $50-$100 and been clobbered for the tax. Less than $50 I usually get away with. I even had a Band score & set from Switzerland last month that got held up for a week and then I had to pay more tax, yet orders from Boosey & Hawkes in UK come through fine, no matter what value.

This is just all double taxation as far as I can see.

I used to use Editnote for finale upgrades but they messed up the auth. code on two upgrades so I gave up. I complained to MM about this. They were always a month or two behind anyway, but they do specialise in the French language version that comes out much later in the year (I just recieved the promo for Fin2006), I use the English version.

August was never a good time for any mail order over here ;-) 

Bienvenue la rentrée!

Jonathan
From: Stan Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:19:45 +0100
Subject: Re: [Finale] finale 2007 order / ship to canada
( montréal )

In UK I have paid 85 GBP, from Musicroom.com. Shipping by Royal
Mail was free.

This is my first upgrade from UK. Previously I updraded directly
from US but was then asked for a customs duty and the total seemed
to be more than if I had bought from UK suppliers.
Has the price gone up this time?

Stan Lord

On 21 Aug 2006, at 19:40, dc wrote:

> Johannes Gebauer écrit:
>> Klemm, afaik is the official distributor. Perhaps some shops are
>> undercutting.
>
> And Klemm is the one who quoted the price of 149 euro from 2004.
> Perhaps they weren't counting the tax, which would bring the price
> up to what you quoted. I'll have to wait and see. If so, I think
> I'll have it shipped to someone in the US.
>
> Dennis
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:28:35 +0200
Subject: [Finale] Thumb Drive [was: The Burn Again App]

"Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>Uh, believe it or not, I don't know what a Thumb Drive is ... color
>me ancient.

and told us in 4950 characters.

Ken Moore

From: dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:29:44 +0200
Subject: Re: [Finale] finale 2007 order / ship to canada (
montréal )

Stan Lord écrit:
>In UK I have paid 85 GBP, from Musicroom.com. Has the price gone up this
>time?

This is the small upgrade. The large one is 210$ (60$ more than MM's price...).

Dennis





From: "Steve Currington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:36:04 +1200
Subject: [Finale] Split Stems for Clusters

Hi.
 
I am fairly new to Finale and am on the normal steep learning curve that all newbie's have.  So far I have done pretty  well.. But I want to write a some 8th note clusters.. i.e. Aflat,  Bflat and B nat
 
What is the best way of doing a "splayed" or "split" 8th note stems?
 
Is there a trick to this.
 
NB I am using WinFin2006
 
Being a newbie simple advice is best.
 
I would ask my University school mates but they all use Sibelius as it is the software that is on all the University equipment and so all my mates have gone with that notation software.   (also virtually all the high schools here now also use Sibelius) I am the odd one that is using Finale.
 
 
 
 
Steve Currington
Wellington, New Zealand
 
From: "David H. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:00:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Finale] Lawrence


On Mon, August 21, 2006 9:43 pm, keith helgesen wrote:
> Please- someone take pity!
>
>
>
> I am trying to purchase a replacement copy of Lawrence of Arabia by
> Maurice
> Jarre, arr Alfred Reed. For Concert Band.
>
>
[snip]
> If I cannot purchase a new copy, then from who or where do I obtain
> permission to re-notate this chart for my use only - Finale of course.
>
>
>
> Please- I know I’m wimping out, but- I’ve been “told try this- or that”
> and
> none have worked.
>
[snip]

The best place to start would be to find a book that contains something
like "The Theme From Lawrence of Arabia" or such, and find that copyright
holder (the tune, not the book) and try to contact them.

Maurice Jarre or the film production company likely own the copyright, not
Gower Publishing, which would only have obtained a license to publish the
Reed arrangement for concert band, and they would have no legal authority
to issue any further permissions beyond issuing you replacement parts.

In the U.S., derivative works are all still protected by the original
work's copyright as long as the copyright is still in effect.

Another possibility might be to contact Masters Music Publications, which
publishes a couple of works of Dr. Reed's. They may be able to point you
to the proper source.

Still another possibility would be to join [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
ask Clint Neiweg, former librarian for the Philadelphia Orchestra. He is
very knowledgeable about tracking down such obscure information on
publishers.

Finally, taking the "as long as nobody knows I'm probably alright"
approach -- as long as your band owns a copy and as long as you have tried
in good faith to find the proper channels to obtain either replacement
parts or permission, go ahead and do it. It's the same sort of risk we
take every time we drive over the speed limit -- even with increasing
fines for speeding, everybody does it all the time (including the cops
even when they're not on official business with their lights flashing).

But print out things like your original message to this list and any/all
other on-line inquiries you make so that you can demonstrate that you've
made a good-faith effort to do the right thing.

=======
David H. Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

From: "A-NO-NE Music" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:14:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [Finale] Split Stems for Clusters

Steve Currington / 2006/08/22 / 06:36 AM wrote:

>What is the best way of doing a "splayed" or "split" 8th note stems?

Do you mean something like this?


What I did here was to make three 8th notes into one 8th note beat space
using Tuplet Tool,
Made two 8th note's stems go away with Special Tools,
Extend the middle 8th stem with Special Tools,
And drew two stems with Smart Shape Tool.

Hm. I just realized I haven't done this since FinMac3.2 days. There
got to be a better way!

--

- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA




From: "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC:
To: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:07:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Finale] Split Stems for Clusters

This is a very creative work around. But you are correct, I hope
there is an easier way.

Dean

On Aug 22, 2006, at 6:14 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

> Steve Currington / 2006/08/22 / 06:36 AM wrote:
>
>> What is the best way of doing a "splayed" or "split" 8th note stems?
>
> Do you mean something like this?
>
>
> What I did here was to make three 8th notes into one 8th note beat
> space
> using Tuplet Tool,
> Made two 8th note's stems go away with Special Tools,
> Extend the middle 8th stem with Special Tools,
> And drew two stems with Smart Shape Tool.
>
> Hm. I just realized I haven't done this since FinMac3.2 days. There
> got to be a better way!
>
> --
>
> - Hiro
>
> Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
>
>
>
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