----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:12 AM
Subject: Fin vs. Sib vs. Lilypond [was Re: [Finale] Tan: Henle engraving video]


Trent Johnston wrote:
One thing I did notice in the video was that all the layout issues were sorted out before the engraving started. He was engraving page 40 and he knew the bars of music were going to appear on that page. It's funny that the first piece of advice that most notation program manuals give is to type all the music in and then work out the page layout.
Your comment seems to suggest that the engraver is working only with the contents of page 40, and spacing the music without prior knowledge of what is on pages 1-39, and 41 to ....

What I meant was that layout had been sorted out prior to engraving process. The engraver was probably well aware of the music before and after but was under instruction from the editor as to number of staves per page and page turns. So when in engraving page 40 he was only concerned with the music appearing on that page. Something which SCORE still uses - it produces a score by building up complete pages so layout etc has been decided before hand or it's a very slow and cumbersome process of removing and adding bars from a potentially long list page files.

I was also intrigued how the stems and beams were engraved free hand no ruler or guide. We didn't get a clear indication from the video how they where orginally pencilled in again free handed or with a protractor and rule. If drawn free hand it would raise question of the Henle beams being a philosphy rather than mechanical mathematical rule. Also notice that the engraver can't enlarge the score 800% to fine tune the position of layout marks. Maybe the mechanical look that people comment on comes from the fact with a computer we can have everything precisely measured. Maybe we should trust your eyes more than a computer measurement.


What would have been really interesting if the engraver was doing something with lyrics. Things really go wild when lyrics are added, especially English and German as I find the syllable groups can be quite long throwing out good spacing.

Thanks for the tip about saving a back up file first and then use a copy for layout etc. makes sense.

Thanks.

Trent
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