On 11 Jan 2007 at 16:48, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

> On 11.01.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
> >> Personally I don't think it really matters that much, I am not
> >> crazy
> >> > about Mozart's early works anyway, and if it turns out to be a
> >> > worthwile piece I couldn't care less whether it is by Mozart or
> >> > not.
> > 
> > That's interesting. I'm not excited about much of any of the music
> > from c. 1750-70 -- the galant style just seems very boring to me
> > (even Haydn from that period). But you do lots of music from that
> > period, no? What do you find is the difference between the music you
> > do and Mozart's pre-1770 work? Youth and inexperience? Lack of
> > sophistication?
> > 
> 
> Well, I could now start talking about the "Mozart Block" which I
> certainly suffer from, at least as far as anything from his earlier
> years is concerned. Let's not, that is a very complex matter.

I have a "Beethoven Block" that gets me in hot water with all sorts 
of people, so I sympathize!

> However, daring to let some value judgements enter this discussion, I
> find Mozart's early music no more mature than by any other 10-year-old
> (or 8-year-old or 5-year-old for that matter). In fact I find early
> music by Mendelssohn much more ingenious than Mozart's (I know others
> will have a different opinion, that's fine by me).

I can't say that there's anything remarkable about the pre-teen 
Mozart. But from age 10-12 onward, it's mostly as good or better than 
the music written by adults.

I don't know that any of Mendelssohn's pre-teen music is known.

> There is no question Mozart was a great genius, the operas, piano
> concertos, late string quartets, string quintets are amazing works.
> But if the early works were the only part of his work to survive, I
> rather doubt we would even know the name Mozart.

I think if all that survived was the pre-1770 music, we'd know of him 
as a minor composer along with all the other minor composers of the 
time.

> On the other hand, I do find Haydn's "early" music extremely
> ingenious. The difference is that we don't actually know any of
> Haydn's real early music (with one or two possible exceptions I
> believe).

Right -- early Haydn is mature music, comparable in chronological age 
to what Mozart was writing in Salzburg in the late 1770s.

> The problem with pre-classical and early classical music is quite
> complex. There are very good reasons why we find a lot of that music
> boring today. It is true I have done some music from that period, but
> I very carefully selected it, and I am carefully trying to avoid the
> boring music which I think you refer to.
> 
> To just allow myself a little self promotion here: Our CDs with 
> Stamitz/Gluck and Haydn trios (second volume just came out) are
> examples of totally non-boring music from that period, at least in my
> opinion. Perhaps you have a little listen at
> 
> http://www.cdbaby.com/all/johannesg

I'm not on broadband so can't really do that. But I've had a change 
in opinion about the Italian "pre-classical" composers after hearing 
Ensemble 451's playing of Sammartini -- oh, boy, what a difference 
from all the boring old recordings I'd heard of it before? It's lithe 
and flexible and really fascinating music. Maybe if some of the other 
"pre-classics" got the same kind of careful and commited attention 
from performers, I'd like it better.

> or even better, spend a little money and buy the CDs. I guess you
> probably would care more for the Haydn. (The second volume is out, but
> I don't think we will sell it through CDBaby, as we are now in other
> distribution channels. I don't think it has reached the shops yet).

If I had any money, I'd be happy to!

-- 
David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/

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