Judging from my own experience with students (even music students sometimes), and the change in the listening behavior of audiences I have encountered over a 50 year career, I have to agree with Vern's assessment, whatever the reasons for it.

As long as people who have been brought up under the prevailing cultural conditions (the overwhelming majority of them) continue to control a significant part of the public buying power, the situation is unlikely to change.

This does not mean that there are no exceptions to this trend, but this is how the overall picture looks to me.

Chuck


On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When I find the smoking gun, I'll send it to you. This is a gut feeling based on what I have seen and heard during the past 30 years as a writer and performer. Just a quick recall of the bells and Pavlov's dogs should illustrate what happens with repeated stimulus; If they salivate whenever
they hear a bell now, when someone who has systematically and
subconsciously shut down their antennae to music, what do you think
happens when they get in a concert hall (if they even go)? Do you honestly believe that they still have the same facility to hear/perceive music as well as they could before the saturation syndrome? I'm not talking about
the "educated" and disciplined listeners who are dedicated to their
appreciation of music (like the readers of the Copland book); I'm talking
about the millions of every day folk who are becoming numbed to the
experience through no fault of their own. And who will not seek it out as a consequence of the overexposure. If I'm wrong, I don't see anything to
support your claim that it's garbage: everything I see leads me to the
conclusions I've made.


On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The whole issue of this incessant ongoing external stimulation
addiction
that has been epidemic in US culture for the past several generations is killing all the arts and ultimately depriving the every day average person
from having any kind of truly spiritual artistic experience.

I'm sorry, but this is garbage. Merely asserting a thing does not make
it so, and you have offered no evidence at all to support your
position. I see no decline whatsoever in the ability to experience music
deeply throughout the course of my 60-yr. lifetime. Courses in "how to
listen" go back at least to the 1950s, and books on the subject much
further (example: Copland, _What to Listen For in Music_).

Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/

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