Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 22.03.2007 dhbailey wrote:
I agree with Darcy on this point. The numbers are only to locate the physical measure on the page, so all full measures should be counted in a straight line from the first one through the final one.

Well, even if you agree, you are still in disagreement with all major publishers, at least in Europe, which publish classical music, including contemporary as far as I can see.

There are two possible systems which all editions I have seen stick with: Either number the first and second time endings with the same numbers, or include numbers for the repeats as well, so that every repeated measure gets two numbers, ie 1(17). These two systems are the only ones I have ever seen in major publications.

Johannes


I'm basing my statements on the system which more than one orchestra conductor has told groups I've been in concerning numbering our measures in the old B&H publications which didn't have measure numbers in them.

But it really doesn't matter which system is used as long as the music is clear where everybody should play when the conductor says "Let's start at measure 17."

What is really stupid is when music has the double numbers for repeated times, so that the same measure is measure 1 the first time and measure 17 the second time, when calling for the group to start at measure 17, some fool is always going to ask "First time or second time?"

Like, why even bother making things clear! Stupidity will always show. And if the conductor has to say "Start at 17, second time through" there's really no reason for an engraver to have spent that extra time adding those extra measure numbers.

But I also think that the numbering is dependent on the tradition -- American band music publishers seem to have gotten together and agreed that no single publisher shall use the same numbering system on any two consecutive publications, nor shall more than three publications from any publisher in any give year use the same numbering system. It's a real mess!

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