Not if you pronounce it "L[3]n." Which is what Marshall is suggesting.
Dean
On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:12 PM, John Howell wrote:
But that IS r-as-a-vowel!
John
At 2:02 PM -0700 4/30/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Good point ... Marshall uses "learn" as the vowel sound model.
Dean
On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote:
Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by
[3] by analogy with other standard English words. Otherwise I
can't tell what you're suggesting.
John
At 12:38 PM -0700 4/30/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, John Howell wrote:
Madeleine Marshall informs, "Never sing "r" before a consonant.
(p. 9) So, she would have the singers pronounce bird as" b[3]
d." I.e., she would maintain that the ONLY vowel in said
example is [3], and that the "r" sound does not exist. This
approach has worked fine with all my choirs.
Dean
On the contrary, "r" IS a vowel, the ONLY vowel in "girl,"
"bird," or "heard." (That is to say, since it's easy to get
tangled up in semantics, it is a phonated sound that can be
sustained.) The written vowels are effectively mute. It is a
BETTER vowel (better sound quality) if it is formed by keeping
the tongue low in the mouth and lifting the two outside edges
up to touch the upper teeth, than if it is formed by raising
the middle of the tongue to the soft palate, but it functions
as a vowel, and if it quacks like a duck, etc., etc.
John
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quotidian basis, is the cereal box top which informs simply,
"Lift Tab to Open." Then, "To Close, Insert Tab Here ." Yeah,
right! In attempting to accomplish the first direction, not
only the tab but also the slit intended to accept the
aforementioned protuberance have both been irreparably
disfigured and rendered dysfunctional. This debacle is then
amplified by the misbehavior of the recalcitrant inner bag,
which can not be unsealed sans mangling it, and hence, will
not disperse its contents without exiting the box itself. All
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Of all hoaxes, the one which is my most vexing bête noire on a
quotidian basis, is the cereal box top which informs simply,
"Lift Tab to Open." Then, "To Close, Insert Tab Here ." Yeah,
right! In attempting to accomplish the first direction, not only
the tab but also the slit intended to accept the aforementioned
protuberance have both been irreparably disfigured and
rendered dysfunctional. This debacle is then amplified by the
misbehavior of the recalcitrant inner bag, which can not be
unsealed sans mangling it, and hence, will not disperse its
contents without exiting the box itself. All I wanted was a bowl
of cereal.
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Of all hoaxes, the one which is my most vexing bête noire on a
quotidian basis, is the cereal box top which informs simply,
"Lift Tab to Open." Then, "To Close, Insert Tab Here ." Yeah,
right! In attempting to accomplish the first direction, not only
the tab but also the slit intended to accept the aforementioned
protuberance have both been irreparably disfigured and rendered
dysfunctional. This debacle is then amplified by the misbehavior
of the recalcitrant inner bag, which can not be unsealed sans
mangling it, and hence, will not disperse its contents without
exiting the box itself. All I wanted was a bowl of cereal.
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