I would and do ask for that vowel even if we aren't doing G&S, or whatever. It just sings well to eliminate the "r", and to my American ear, does not sound at all affected, unless you speak it, not sing it. If one is doing Sprectstimme (sp?) with English, then I don't know what approach would be taken.

Dean

On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:


On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote:

Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by [3] by analogy with other standard English words. Otherwise I can't tell what you're suggesting.

Well if you don't know IPA you probably also won't know what it means if I say "unrounded open-mid central" or "non-rhotic accent".

I gather you've figured out by now that [3] is the vowel sound in "bird" as it is pronounced by someone with a proper British accent. (Think Julie Andrews.) It's sort of like a schwa, or the "oo" in "book", or the "eu" in "chanteuse", but it's not identical to any of them.

You're a choral director, aren't you, John? Suppose you're preparing your chorus for something that wants a decidedly British sound, like Gilbert & Sullivan or Benjamin Britten, and you have a long held note on "heard" or "world" or "pearl" or "early" or "virgin". What vowel do you ask for? That's your [3]. It's not just for singing, it's a standard vowel in the pronunciation of the King's English, whether spoken or sung. We don't use it in American pronunciation.

mdl
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