> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton
> Sent: 02 May 2007 22:43
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Conducting in 12/8
> 
> 
> On 2 May 2007 at 17:04, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On May 2, 2007, at 2:41 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > I don't believe there is such a meter as 12 8ths to the 
> measure. We 
> > > have a meter called 12/8, but it's in 4, and notating in 
> that meter 
> > > implies certain things about the music. If those implications are 
> > > inappropriate for the music you're writing, then don't 
> use a meter 
> > > that implies that.
> > 
> > That's a little too rigid. I can easily imagine a contemporary 
> > composer wishing to group, say, 3+2+3+4  eighth notes into a single 
> > measure.
> 
> But that's not TWELVE BEATS -- it's 4 beats of varying duration.
> 
> > If the context included constantly changing meters, all 
> with 8 on the 
> > bottom, then a measure of 12/8 would not, IMO, 
> automatically imply 4 
> > dotted Q to any educated musician.
> 
> Beaming can take care of a lot of this, yes.
> 
> But what was described in the post was 12 undifferentiated beats. At 
> least, that was my understanding.
> 
> And I say that such a thing does not exist in music played (or 
> perceived) by human beings.
> 
> -- 
> David W. Fenton  


Damn.  I thought the bar before the Glorifcation de L'Eule in the Rite
was thirteen, but I checked the score and it's in fact eleven.  So maybe
twelve is the absolute cut-off beyond which we can't conceive or
perceive of non-emphasised beats.  (Wait, I just did perceive them in my
faulty memory, didn't I? ;) )

And maybe the What Would Igor Do rule is actually the one to follow -
changing ever bar between 3/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8 could indeed preserve the
fliudity of rhythm which seems to be required in this particular
situation.


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