On Jul 2, 2007, at 9:58 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

Christopher Smith / 2007/06/30 / 04:07 PM wrote:

Bar 2, voiced from the bottom, G,F,Bb,Eb,G
What to call bar 2?

As soon as I saw this, it is G-7(b13) to me.  This fits in Modal
Interchange function to the context you provided.


On Jul 1, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Jim Dukey wrote:
Hi, The chord in question is C-11/G. You mentioned C
being a melody note. Put C on top of the F-Bb-Eb-G,
and you'll hear it. The F-Bb-Eb-G voicing is the
standard 4th voicing for Cminor. so the progrssion is
basically--- C (major) to C minor, with the
appropriate scales. My 2 cents, Jim Dukey


Thanks to both of you for your comments.

Jim's analysis is close to how I like to think of key relations in passages of modal borrowing. C major to C dorian explains the parent scales of each of those structures. So the second chord would not necessarily have to have a G in the bass; it could literally be any note from the C dorian scale and the same mode relations would prevail.

However, Hiro brings up the point that most jazz musicians like to think of chord scales as originating from the bass note, NOT from the parent key, which I recognized as well, which is why I wanted to supply a name starting on G if at all possible. I don't see a big difference between Gm7(b13) and Gm7(b6) (the latter was my solution) so in that we are in agreement.

However again, I wonder (the confusion of chord nomenclature being what it is) if the solution in these modern times might be to just indicate the chord scale "G Aeolian", or maybe even the parent scale with the bass note "C Dorian/G bass". I see a lot of chord scale indications in modern charts these days replacing traditional chord symbols, so maybe I should just go with the flow...

Christopher


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