Hi Owain,

On 23 Mar 2008, at 10:36 AM, Owain Sutton wrote:

I don't see why it's necessary for the mental countoff to be in x/4 or
x/8.  (He does generally make quavers his standard pulse rather than
crotchets.) In the example I gave, the indication is that the pulse of
the 2/10 bar is at quaver=68 indication.  On arriving at the change to
3/8, the pulse slows by one-fifth.  It's not necessary to be thinking
about any incompleteness of tuplets, or about placing every bar against
a continuous mental x/8 pulse.  With a little practice these changes
feel completely natural - less work than plenty of my pupils have needed
when encountering 6/8 for the first time.

First, I will make you a deal -- the US finally adopts the metric system and begins referring to "soccer" by its proper name, "football." In exchange, the UK and everywhere else that uses the adorably quaint terms "minim," "crotchet," and "hemidemisemiquaver" finally gets on board with using the names for note durations that actually tell you how long the notes are. Deal?

[I'm joking, of course. The US will never refer to the game where you kick the ball with your feet as "football."]

Anyway, back to Ferneyhough, I'm trying to make sure I understand you:

Measure 1 is 2/10. The tempo is eighth note = 68. So, based on the idea that a "tenth note" = 1/10th of a whole note, the two "tenth notes" are the rhythmic equivalent of two eighth-note quintuplets. But the initial pulse is not tenth note = 68, it's eighth note = 68. Tenth notes move faster than eighth notes (125% faster, in fact).

Measure 2 is in 3/8. The tempo has not changed. It's still eighth note = 68. But now we have normal eighth notes.

What you are suggesting is that the countoff (mental or otherwise) would be in tenth notes, not eighth notes. But what this effectively means is that the 2/10 measure isn't being felt as a 2/10 measure at all, it's being felt as a 2/8 measure in a faster tempo (e = 85), followed by an immediate metric modulation to a 3/8 measure at e=68.

This is fine for notational purposes, I guess (although I personally would be loath to write it that way). But it won't *feel* like a bar of 2/10 to anyone, because there's no rhythmic point of reference. Instead, it will feel like a metric modulation.

On the other hand, if you are a rock band, chugging along in a heavy 4/4 beat, and then you suddenly drop a 2/10 bar in at the end of phrase -- i.e., extend a measure by 2 eighth note quintuplets -- *that* is going to actually feel like 2/10.

(People who think this is a ridiculous example should check out this YouTube clip, sent to me by a commenter on my blog:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wt9XlVqKYhA

It's the band Soundgarden, who were very big in the 1990's. See if you can spot the measure of 5/12.)

I must make the point is that it's a mistake to assume that Ferneyhough
has expectations of robotic accuracy - he has stated clearly that this
is not the case.  (The first tempo of Etudes Transcendentales is
actually not 68 as I said, but 'ca.68'.)

No, I get that. I just don't like it. His scores strike me as being massively overloaded with notational affectations, stuff that he knows damn well will never make it into the performance, but includes as a purely intellectual conceit.

Sure, he may not be able to clap the rhythms, but it's not his job to do
so.

Boy do I ever disagree with that. I would be embarrassed to put a piece of music in front of musicians if I couldn't at least clap or sing all of the rhythms reasonably accurately. If the composer can't be bothered to learn his own music, why should anyone else?

If he can hear the rhythms in his head,

If you can't clap it, then you *can't* hear the rhythms in your head.

Cheers,

- Darcy
-----
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY



_______________________________________________
Finale mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Reply via email to