Neal Gittleman wrote:
Pace those who think differently, Beethoven doesn't seem to have much problem with either formulation...

dottted-quarter plus three eighths is all over the first movement of the Eroica (well, strictly speaking, not, since he always writes it as quarter, eighth-rest, three eighths) and also throughout the Egmont Overture (again, with the rest

Schumann also uses dotted-quarter plus three eights in several passages in the first movement of his Second Symphony

quarter plus four eighths IS all over the first movement of Beethoven 8.

Context certainly does matter, but in none of these cases is there anything remotely problematic about the notation.


While I agree that none of the situations is problematic, are you looking at the manuscripts (or facsimiles) or are you looking at the engraved music? If looking at the engraved music I doubt that Beethoven or Schumann had any input into how the rhythms were engraved.

And of course the overall rhythmic thrust of the music can make such a beaming easy to read or more difficult to phrase properly, in my opinion.

But I agree that neither is problematic for most players -- even though I would not beam the three 8ths following a dotted quarter myself, I can certainly see no truly compelling argument against it.


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