At 1:32 AM -0400 3/28/08, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 27 Mar 2008 at 13:19, John Howell wrote:

 The problem (not a problem for them, but a
 problem for us in learning to interpret late 13th
 century Franconian notation) is that Franco used
 the same note shape to indicate both a perfect
 longa (worth 3 breves) and an imperfect longa
 (worth only 2 breves), while a single breve could
 have its normal value of 1 breve or could be
 altered to represent the value of 2
 breves--EXACTLY the same value of an imperfect
 longa!  Everything depended on context, but we
 can actually learn to read--even sightread--good
 clear Franconian notation based on Franco's own
 rules of interpretation.  After all, THEY did!

I believe the description above applies to *Garlandian* notation, not
Franconian. After all, Franco of Cologne's whole innovation was the
introduction of symbols that had absolute meaning, regardless of
context (though not all the symbols still in use were free of
contextual meanings).

Hi, David. The situation is anything but crystal clear, but in regard to Johannes de Garlandia, who has not actually been identified with a known person, and whose "De musica mensurabili" was apparently added by Jerome of Moravia to his collection of anonymous treatises including "Discantus positio vulgaris" of about 1230, was included because Jerome considered the latter to be deficient since it did not include examples of how the ligatures were to be interpreted.

But these writers were talking about the rhythmic modes, and writing well before Franco's innovations were written. And in the rhythmic modes the problems I mentioned above simply didn't occur because NO symbol had absolute meaning. But of course Franco didn't actually invent a new system, but one based on the symbols used for centuries in chant notation and for at least the past 60 years in modal notation. And it was the carryover from the modal notation, which didn't bother him in the least, that is confusing to us. (Example: We say that the rhythmic modes used only two time values, the breve and the longa, but in fact they had to stretch that to a third time value, the perfect longa, to make modes 3, 4, and 5 work, and Franco included that ambiguity when he assigned values to specific note and rest shapes.)

[Disclaimer: We've just been through all this in the Strunk "Source Readings" in my Early Music Literature class, about a month ago. I wouldn't normally have all this at my fingertips, but I was able to look back at what both Garlandia and Franco had to say. And it's Franconian notation I was specifically writing about. It's embodied in a great deal of the music from the "Roman de Fauvel," which we also just performed in February.]

John


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