Hi Craig,
You are right about the orchestral trombones. Perhaps some bigbands
have 3rd tbn. players with triggers, but here in NYC I rarely see
that. Nobody wants to play a solo on an instrument with an attachment,
and solos get passed around within the section fairly frequently. None
of the t.tbn. players in my group have F attachments and I avoid
writing anything that requires one into the 3rd Tbn. book -- although
obviously if you know you will have the right player, that is a useful
possibility. Some bigbands do have two bass bone players, which is a
good sound.
None of the five JABB tenor trombones have samples below E2 (mid C =
C4). There is one bass trombone, which goes down to Eb1. If you have
range concerns about GPO or JABB, you should email
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. They have made some range corrections to some
instruments in software updates over the years. One of the orchestral
bass trombones (the one with a far superior tone quality) used to only
go up to the G below middle C!
You can fudge playback of out-of-range notes using Garritan
instruments using pitchwheel-modifying expressions. I used to have to
do this all the time, before they finally corrected their orchestral
bass clarinet range.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 10 Aug 2008, at 12:41 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
The Garritan set included in Finale is not "Jazz" per se, is it?
None of the orchestral trombone voices covers any of the trigger
range, I don't believe, and 99.999% of orchestra trombonists play
with F attachments most of the time. Lots of second trombone parts
in orchestral scores go into that register.
I agree with you that most jazz trombone SOLOISTS don't use a
trigger trombone. James Morrison is a notable exception. See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L14anXqrGQ
Ron Wilkins is another.
Jazz SECTION players often use an F attachment. It isn't uncommon
at all to see a 3rd trombonist in a big band playing something like
a Bach 36 with an F attachment. It seems to me the main point of
including multiple trombones in the software collection is to build
a section with some timbral diversity. The samples need to be able
to cover the playing range that comes up in the real world. It
seems really silly and pointless to cut the range artificially.
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hi Craig,
The range is realistic -- jazz tenor trombone players almost never
have an F attachment. I am sure the players they sampled for the
JABB trombones did not have an F attachment on their horn.
The full JABB set has a proper bass trombone in addition to the
four tenor trombones.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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Brooklyn, NY
On 8 Aug 2008, at 11:04 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I have not noticed any problems so far playing the included
Garritan sounds on the Aria player.
I have ordered the full Garritan big band set. My first project
with the included Garritan sounds was a flop. It was a trombone
quartet. None of the trombone voices could play a low C, which is
easily in the range of a tenor trombone player with F attachment,
and an octave inside the range of a good bass trombone player. I
tried to substitute with a tuba voice but for some reason that
sounded really funky. So I used a contrabass clarinet to get me
through until the JABB set arrives. I hope the "real" Garritan
sounds are not so unrealistic in their instrument ranges. At
least there should be a real bass trombone voice in the JABB set.
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