(Aaron - could you forward this to the list for me in the event it doesn't make it on its own? Yahoogroups has (I've been told) probably erroneously misidentified my entire ISP as a s-p-a-m source and it's affected ALL my yahoogroup memberships....thanks!)
And perhaps most important is the fact that those instruments (contra, piccolo and trombones) don't make their initial entrances until the fourth movement - Beethoven (1808) saved them for the finale, which certainly makes their presence all the more impressive....and Schumann many years (1850) later similarly held his trombones in check in the Rhenish Symphony - allowing them into the mix only for the (final) fourth and fifth movements. For that similar 'wow' factor - and as well, to impart that church-like solemnity into the fourth-movement stern chorale. I've recently done both the Rhenish and the Beethoven Fifth (my trombonists weren't too pleased with me!) - and both composers certainly knew what they were doing in using their instruments judiciously -- !!! Best, Les Les Marsden (209) 966-6988 New Cell: (559) 708-6027 7145 Snyder Creek Road Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ahhhhh, Paradise!!! http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Notation for buzzing a bassoon reed by itself (Somewhat OT) I would look askance at any history class dealing with music of this time period that didn't include this fact. Then again, as a former trombone player, it is a red-letter event which we all celebrate! ajr > Ah, thank you sir. That was a fact which escaped my undergrad Music > History class ... or, more likely, I was gone that day, enjoying the > many allurements of the greater Tucson, AZ environs. > > Dean > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:36 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Beethoven 5 is usually considered the first appearance in a >> symphony of >> trombones, contrabassoon, and piccolo. The contrabassoon mostly >> doubles >> the string bass parts. When my community orchestra played Beethoven 5 >> years ago the contra was just left out, and not missed. Another >> community >> orchestra gave the part to a tuba. >> >> ajr >> >>> Speaking of bassoons, I went to a symphony concert this weekend, >>> wherein was performed Beethoven 5. Included in the instrumentation >>> was a Contra Bassoon, which was used only (as best I could see) in >>> the last movement, doubling the Third Bone part. I don't have a >>> score to the work, so can anyone tell me if that is a standard >>> instrumentation, or an edition of which I've not heard before, or >>> perhaps the conductor just wanted the bass sound reinforced? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> On Jan 19, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 19, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, January 19, 2009 2:39 pm, Robert Patterson wrote: >>>>>> Can the down-arrowhead be an outline for a dotted-half value? >>>>> >>>>> I don't know. He only identifies the solid version of each symbol, >>>>> which >>>>> is typical throughout the book. Since the book is 1966 (DE) 1972 >>>>> (EN), I'd >>>>> imagine things might have been clarified since. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis >>>>> >>>> >>>> Speaking as a bassoonist, I can assure you that any notation you >>>> use will be unfamiliar, and so *must* be accompanied with a verbal >>>> instruction such as "reed only" or the like. As a composer, I would >>>> use X-shaped noteheads, add the instruction "with reed only", and >>>> place the notes on the middle line of the staff. On any subsequent >>>> recurrences, I would shorten the instruction just to "reed." If I >>>> wanted the buzz to vary in pitch, I would eliminate the staff lines >>>> and place the various (X-shaped) noteheads at higher or lower >>>> levels within the blank space. >>>> >>>> I would use this same notation for the oboe, and for clarinet/sax/ >>>> brass mouthpiece played alone (except of course that the >>>> instruction would be "mouthpiece alone"). >>>> >>>> Andrew Stiller >>>> Kallisti Music Press >>>> http://www.kallistimusic.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> Canto ergo sum >>> >>> Dean M. 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