Without wishing to appear contrarian, but speaking again from personal 
experience -- having written multiple pieces that employ this effect -- it is 
perfectly possible to make pitchless, audible (if faint) sounds by blowing air 
(usually augmented by a slight whistling effect) through a brass instrument 
without buzzing the lips. The instruction "blow air" usually suffices. It's a 
very common effect. It sounds like the trumpet player in Robert's anecdote was 
being deliberately difficult/obtuse.

I've never seen anyone invert the mouthpiece as Robert suggests. That seems 
like it would generate a different kind of sound, but now I'm eager to have my 
band try it out!

Cheers,

- DJA
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On 12 Mar 2010, at 6:27 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Neal Gittleman <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Me:
>> But just as the bumblebee that theoretically can't fly flies just fine, the
>> effect seems to work.  I suspect what's happening is that the players are
>> making all the noise in their mouths/lips and using the instruments, in
> 
> Speaking only from personal experience (which extends to no more than
> a handful of times having to do it), it worked because the brass
> players knew to invert their mouthpieces without being told. (Or
> rather, enough did so that the effect was audible in the audience.)
> 
> I clearly remember what our principal trumpet said one time to a
> composer who had asked fro the effect (n the middle of rehearsal in
> front of the entire orch. and conductor). "You know, I have spent a
> lot of money to have a trumpet that doesn't make any noise when I just
> blow air through it." There was awkward silence from the composer in
> return. I submit that no composer wants to be in that position, esp.
> with a professional orchestra. Later I suggested the inverted
> mouthpiece to the trumpeter and there was no more problem.
> 
> If you want to look like you know what you are talking about, specify
> inverting the mouthpiece.
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