At 9:13 AM +0100 3/23/10, dc wrote:
What's the clearest way to write an |:A:|BACA piece if I don't write out in full the three A sections (to avoid page turns). The original simply has "Da Capo" at the end of B and C, and a fermata on the last note of A.

Thanks,

Dennis

Ah!! The famous French Baroque Rondeau form, perfectly clear if you know the secret, perfectly confusing if you don't!!! (And by the time Mozart adopted it as the Rondo form, he was writing everything out without repeats.)

When I edited a Rameau rondeau (and I'm making up these bar numbers), I followed the baroque notational layout but added instructions: the A section (without repeat marks in this case); at the end of the A section a note "To 64 2x" (which was the C section); at the end of both the B and C sections a "da capo" (actually I wrote in the 1st bar of the da capo. so it was a da segno to bar 2, as in the original); and the fermata at the end of the A section. I could have used a Coda sign at the end of the A section and the beginning of the C section but I still would have had to include a text instruction. The fact is that our modern system of repeat marks and signs CANNOT cover every historical eventuality.

The "ne plus ultra" of confusing repeat marks and overlapping repeat schemes is found in the 13th and 14th century "Estampies" in several French, Italian, and English manuscripts. These dance pieces are constructed of a number of repeated sections, each with an "ouvert" and "clos" ending (our 1st & 2nd endings on a half cadence and a full cadence). But the BEGINNING of each section is new, while after each new beginning the balance of each section repeats parts of previous sections. And since velum was expensive and valuable, they saved as much space on the page as possible, using 4 to 6 different repeat marks to lead the eye through the underbrush and complete each section. (Our fermata and our da segno sign are just two of those signs that have made it into modern notation.) It's perfectly clear once you figure it out, but perfectly obscure if you don't understand what they were doing! And the only comparable modern notation I've ever played was a Strauss Waltz (or perhaps Polka), with multiple overlapping repeats to keep track of.

Another example of late Medieval/early renaissance roadmaps are the many secular songs written to poetry in rondeau form. (And yes, it was a poetic form long before it became a musical form.) These were always laid out in 2 musical sections (although the dividing point between the A and B sections was not always clear), and usually only the first verses of the text were underlaid, but the form of the piece was complex and required repetitions of the A and B sections, sometimes in order, sometimes not, in a very particular scheme, and if you don't understand the form you can't perform the chanson as it was intended. Fortunately, since this repeat scheme is text-driven, modern editions always number the verses, so the singers can follow those numbers, but instrumentalists playing the chanson as an instrumental piece will tend to ignore these hints, and of course if they are playing from facsimiles of the original manuscript there ARE no hints.

I used overlapping repeats in one modern vocal arrangement. Once! Never again!!! I was rushed and had to have it ready for an impending rehearsal (and this was in the days of strictly hand copying, and I didn't want to have to letter in all the repeated lyrics!), and the song itself was constructed of repeated sections. (Something about "Man In Motion" from some movie.) But I wasted much more time in rehearsal than I saved in preparing the manuscript, and learned my lesson!

So our repeat schemes are not just clearly notated in one and only one way, but they are culturally influenced by what is/was expected. Even the seemingly simple question of whether to observe repeats in da capos (in minuets and marches in particular) is never clearcut. Playing a minuet in concert? Sure, omit the repeats. Playing for dancing? Different answer, and very likely a repeat scheme that extends the music to a more desirable length.

Dennis, the one place I can think of where compound endings may still be used regularly is in military marches that would be published in "quickstep" size suitable for using in lyres while marching. Page space was always at a premium, and even one additional bar could make a difference, so a good many shortcuts had to be used. And we still have marching bands and they still use those small-format parts, so the engraver still has to use shortcuts that may be less than perfectly clear.

All the best,

John


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