At 6:15 PM +0000 12/21/10, Susan Lackman wrote:
O.T. I wonder if the original "debts" didn't come from the Kol Nidre text (in Aramaic) that opens the Yom Kippur observance, although the translation is "oaths" and "vows," and it refers not to ones made to one's fellow, but to God. Both Jewish and Christianoi texts were parallel, if not identical, up until 200 C.E.

And you're right - a debt and a trespass are wholly different things. The idea of a debt to God . . .

David Fenton referred me to the Wikipedia article, which is remarkably complete and very detailed, Apparently in at least one language the word used also translates as "sins." And there are indeed two rather different versions extant, in two different Gospels. The "approved" versions in any specific religion were, of course, determined by committee vote, just like Congress--which is actually a rather scary thought!

John


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