Hey, come to think of it, there are no cimbasso sounds on the Garritan 
libraries.  How could they have missed that?  :)

I'm not doing many of the things you mentioned. I am using a little 
reverb, but I got frustrated when I couldn't control that from Aria.  
The Aria player has a tab for effects with the Ambiance and Convolution 
reverbs there.  I couldn't get either of those to work.  But if I go 
into the Finale MIDI menu for VST effects, I could bring up Ambiance 
directly and that works, but I don't think it saves those settings. -- 
Exploring further I found that the Aria reverb does work OK.  I just 
wasn't using the sends.  So that is a big improvement because it appears 
to save these reverb settings in the MUS file.

I do use smallish studio-quality Yamaha monitors.

I looked at the Finale mixer and somehow there were lots of different 
pan settings -- seemingly random.  I'll try setting those more like what 
you'd expect to hear from the stage.

I am not intentionally using "stereo stage" but I see it was set as I 
added instruments.  I'll play with that and the panning controls.  I 
don't doubt that can make a big difference.  I was doing live sound for 
an outdoor concert last summer -- a concert band.  I used one main 
stereo pair behind the conductor and then supplemented with a few 
section mics (basses, percussion, etc).  I had trouble getting the 
saxophones into the mix.  They were at the far left.  I had normally 
used a mono mix because the audience does not sit in the middle of the 
ideal stereo field.  However, as an experiment, I did just a little bit 
of stereo separation and the saxes appeared like magic.  So I'll play 
with this a bit.  The nice thing is that if these settings are saved 
with in the MUS file, once I get one arrangement sounding good, I can 
clone that file for my next project for the same ensemble.

I am really confused about the interaction between Aria and the Finale 
mixer window.  They do not appear linked, but they both seem to have an 
effect.  So maybe I am working at cross-purposes by using both windows.  
Should I just set the Finale mixer to middle vales for volume and pan 
and then do all adjustments in Aria, or vice versa?  I am getting the 
feeling that it is best to work entirely in the Aria app and ignore the 
Finale mixer window. Is that correct?

Thanks for the suggestions, and if you write a piece for either 
double-bell euph or cimbasso, I'm your man.  I have two double-bell 
euphs, so maybe we can do a piece featuring two euphs and 4 bells.


On 5/3/2013 10:35 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
> Hi Craig...
> How's your cimbasso? ;-)
>
> It does take a fair amount of processing to make any sound library work.
>
> What are you doing with respect to panning? That can help greatly. So can 
> reverb--how are you routing it? Are you using the stereo stage feature of 
> ARIA?
> How about EQ?
> Also--what are you listening on? Computer speakers or studio monitors, or 
> something in between?
> It is absolutely essential to stagger attack times by a few ticks as well. HP 
> does that to some extent, but perhaps not enough.
>
> People sometimes set "out of the box" expectations for sound libraries too 
> high, which may lead to frustration.
>
> Perhaps if you bring your computer down to Franklin and buy me a couple pints 
> of Guinness, we can discover some settings you like. ;-)
>
> Some of us either make two scores (one for print & one for playback) or enter 
> a lot of invisible markings on one score.
> Take a bit if time to experiment and I'll bet your frustration levels fall.
>
> Jim


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