I'm saying you are selling Finale short. While I agree 100% that cautionaries (for example) are a problem, you are sellling it way short to characterize it as a mere note paint program. (Accis in particular, are now completely controlled by code, as opposed to relying on the document data, so all it would take is for them to add the code for cautionaries.) Finale has always had a paradigm that was designed for dynamic adjustment to revisions. There is absolutely nothing stopping Makemusic from implementing much of that right now. It just has not been their priority for many frustrating years.
Where Finale is fundamentally limited is in being chained to barlines. To the extent Dorico capitalizes on its (presumed) lack of such limitation, Finale will struggle to keep up, no matter how committed the company becomes to catching up. But I also am unsure how much it matters for the huge majority of music notation users. Finale could do so much more for its users and always could have. I share your frustration. But I also work very quickly in it and have developed a workflow that often lets me do (for example) page layout of linked parts in just a few clicks. (That really depends on the complexity of the music.) I know they have not stopped working on it, and they still have many senior developers. I wouldn't count them out yet. On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Craig Parmerlee <[email protected]> wrote: > I didn't really mean that as an exact date or even a comment specifically > about Finale. What I should have said is "the 1980s way of doing things." > > All of the notation products of that generation (Encore, Overture, Finale, > etc) can reasonably be called "note paint programs". That is to say, they > all provided ways to paint notes, rests, and other musical markings onto a > canvas. Once painted, much of this was static. There was some ability to > "float" items, say, by inserting measures. But basically, what you painted > remained as it was painted until you explicitly painted something > different. Along the way, some clever people produced some powerful > plug-ins that allowed certain re-painting operations in bulk. It worked > OK, and still does for many people. But this static painting/re-paining > approach has some fundamental limitations, especially in the area of > layout. There have been some attempts in Finale to automate the layout and > collision avoidance. Despite all the effort, I consider that mostly a > failure because part editing remains a very tedious process that often > requires 30% of the project time. > > And some of that just doesn't work. I am a stickler for cautionary > accidentals. IMHO, the only way to do this reliably in Finale is by hand, > painstakingly checking every single note. There is a plug-in that is > supposed to apply cautionary accidentals, but it isn't reliable and often > does more damage than it corrects. Moreover, it is always a batch > process. If you add new passages, they don't get cautionary accidentals > automatically. The same can be said for many operations in Finale. (e.g. > multi-measure rests.) These are batch processes, not real time. > > Today's way of doing things separates the idea of "music entry" (as > opposed to "note entry") from the process of presenting the score and > parts. The layout is governed by rules, and these rules are applied in > real time to all current AND FUTURE material in the score. I have very > limited usage of Dorico at this stage, but everything I have seen tells me > it works very well and reliably. > > I would compare this to the first generation of WAV editors like CoolEdit > and Audacity. You could use these tools to make transformations to a sound > file, such as applying compression, normalizing, or equalizing. But it is > always a batch process. You have to do the transformation manually, then go > back and listen to know if the results were as intended. > > Today, anybody serious about sound sculpting uses a DAW (Cubase, > StudioOne, Cakewalk, Protools, etc). With any DAW, you operate on the > material in real time -- even while the sound files are playing -- to dial > in the results you want.A person can use Audacity, and some people still > do. But the world has mostly moved on to real time. > > > On 4/20/2018 1:04 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> the 1985 way >>> >> In fairness, the 1985 way was ProCo. If you mean the 1989 way, it was this >> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/f2d6ftebwxzsyu0/Screen%20Shot%202 >> 018-04-20%20at%2011.54.54%20AM.png?dl=0> >> . >> >> While I'm the first to recognize Finale's limitations, I think you a being >> overly harsh. >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: [email protected]
