On Friday, April 19, 2002, at 11:13 AM, Chris Devers wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Patrick Hurh wrote:
>
>> From: Patrick Hurh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Fnal? Ahh, Fermilab! Cool! :)
>
>> ps A very general question. The response of my computer for graphical
>> things (moving windows etc...) seems very slow when using XDarwin. Is
>> this just the overhead of running sawfish and gnome? Or a limitation of
>> XFree86 or what? Obviously the mac osX seems to have no problem 
>> blitting
>> to the screen very fast.
>
> Interesting. Personally it feels the opposite to me -- X11 feels 
> snappier
> than Aqua to me. If you're exclusively using X-Windows and you want it 
> to
> run a bit faster, you may want to login to your system as ">console". 
> This
> shuts down the normal Aqua windowserver, and drops you into an oldschool
> BSD style console login prompt. Once you've logged in this way, you can
> type "startx" [plus whatever params] to fire up a fullscreen X11 session
> that, because it isn't running along side Aqua, might be a bit faster.

OK I'll try that some time and see if I notice a speed-up.

<snip>

Going back towards your points, yeah there is a bit of overhead in 
running
> Gnome along with whatever window manager, but it seems like -- I haven't
> measured this or anything -- there's almost no way the overhead of doing
> that can be as high as all the advanced graphical trickery that is going
> on with Quartz. X11 is very crude by comparison, but for that exact 
> reason
> it seems like it ought to be a lot snappier in many contexts.

Well, what I'm talking about is very evident on my machine (G3 
powerbook). Quartz (aqua) windows move smoothly when I grab them and 
drag them around the screen (fast refresh rate). However using XDarwin 
with Gnome and sawfish, Xwindows blink, stutter and shear (slow refresh 
rate) when I grab them and drag them around the screen. The same with 
panels hiding and drawers sliding. Definitely not 'snappy'. I just get 
the feeling that I'm using an emulator....

--patrick.


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